The Brahma Kumaris have killed God

Scenes Behind the Brahma Kumaris’ Curtain

Brahma KumarisWorldSpiritualUniversity declares officially, ‘The Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University acknowledges the intrinsic goodness of all people. We teach a practical method of meditation that helps individuals understand their inner strengths and values. A worldwide family of individuals from all walks of life, we are committed to spiritual growth and personal transformation, believing them essential in creating a peaceful and just world. Acknowledging the challenges of rapid global change, we nurture the well-being of the entire human family by promoting spiritual understanding, leadership with integrity and elevated actions towards a better world.’[i] Brahma Kumaris in their official documents claim that the University has 825 000 students and over 8 500 raja yoga centers in 100 countries.[ii] The University is proud of such undertakings as Dadi Janki Foundation, Images and Voices of Hope, The Global Hospital and Research Center and… the consultative status in the United Nations about which they write, ‘We align ourselves in particular with the tenet contained in the Preamble to the Charter of the United Nations: ‘...to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person...’ What hides behind this presentation? Below there are only few facts.

The historical background

In 1936 inHyderabad, SindhProvince in today’s Pakistan, a rich and famous merchant of diamonds, Lekhraj Khubchand Kripalani experienced visions that were to change his life completely. Lekhraj Kripalani was a pious devotee, a disciple of 12 religious gurus as well as a successful businessman. The fact that he was received even in Indian royal courts of that time shows the scale and power of his business very well. A detailed description of his wealth and influence can be found in autobiography of his daughter, Nirmal Shanta[iii]. Lekhraj’s business reached Bengal, where he set up a partnership enterprise together with Sevak Ram[iv]. Sevak Ram was his relative and Lekraj’s most trusted confidant with whom he used to have regular consultations.[v] Together they opened a shop with diamonds and jewelry in the most famous business center in Calcutta. The shop named Lakhi Raj-Sevak Ram&Sons was located on the first ground, Lekraj and Sevak Ram lived in the upper floors.[vi] When Lekhraj experienced visions, neither he himself nor his guru was able to understand their meanings.[vii] Lekhraj went to Benares, the intellectual-spiritual center of India. The most famous gurus and scholars in Benares weren’t able to explain to him meanings of those visions. Only in Bengal, probably in Calcutta, Lekhraj received the answer to his question about the visions.[viii] Who was that person who helped Lekhraj understand his visions? The name that is sometimes mentioned is ‘Sevak Ram’. However, it has not been confirmed whether, it is the name of a physical person, Lekhraj’s business partner or it is the name simply used as a pseudonym.  In order to avoid ambiguities, one  may use name ‘Guru from Bengal’.

The visions that Lekhraj experienced and what consequently happened between ‘Guru from Bengal’ and Lekhraj led to the foundation of a new spiritual school in Hyderabad (Sindh), in which that Guru along with two mothers related to him and Lekhraj Kripalani played very important roles in the period from 1936 till 1942.[ix] Initially the school was named Om Mandali. Those who at the beginning gathered around above mentioned people listened to the knowledge taught in the school and experienced that it wasn’t an ordinary human knowledge.[x] Although it is disputable, the Brahma Kumaris claim that they recognized that it was the Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiva who narrated Knowledge through a medium (or chariot) of the human body.[xi] Many people were joining the school. Particularly mothers and unmarried women were interested in studying and putting in practice the knowledge taught in Om Mandali. Along with the increasing popularity of the school and number of students, it came to a clash among the students themselves as well as a clash with the opposition from outside. [xii]  Some of the teachings given in Om Mandali, such as living the pure life, brotherly vision of everyone regardless of gender, equal treatment of the man and woman were rejected by certain social groups and considered to be controversial. Parts started to quarrel and fight.[xiii] On the turn of 1941/42 Lekhraj’s partner died. With the course of time Lekhraj took over the reins of the school. The school established in Hyderabad was moved to Karachi and later on in 1950-51 to MountAbu, from where Dada Lekhraj became known as Brahma Baba.

As the result of internal and external clashes, two groups were formed in Om Mandali. One was supporting Lekhraj Kripalani, also called Dada Lekhraj. Another one was supporting ‘Guru from Bengal’. With the course of time, the first group, after moving to MountAbu, transformed into Brahma Kumaris.[xiv] The other one was predominant at the beginnings of Om Mandali. There are evidences that ‘Guru from Bengal’ and some other members played roles of teachers also for such students and Dada Lekhraj and Om Radhe.[xv] The bodies of few of them served as media for Shiva.[xvi] After ‘Guru from Bengal’ left his body, the traces and information about him and those people disappeared. After some time, for some reasons, the seniors of Brahma Kumaris started hiding the information about the true founder of the School, changing facts and spreading the story in which Dada Lekhraj has been presented as Prajapita, meaning the main and first personality of the organization BKIVV, its founder, Shiva’s only medium and Om Radhe – as a person playing the role of the main mother.

The split

In 50-ties, after moving to Mount Abu, the group of people gathered around Dada Lekhraj, who was called by them ‘Brahma Baba’, was living there in isolation from the rest of the world for many years. Dada Lekhraj was considered by them to be the Father of Humanity (Prajapita). Along with him Om Radhe, considered to be the Mother of the World (Jagadamba), was playing an important role in BKIVV. The contacts of BKIVV with the world were developing slowly. Gradually, they were establishing centers in big cities in India and abroad. The organization was officially named BKIVV (The World Spiritual University Brahma Kumaris). For the students of the University Dada Lekhraj’s body was the medium through which the Supreme Father Shiva was narrating the true Knowledge of the Gita in the form of murli[xvii] that along with the four Pictures of Knowledge should be the most important source of the knowledge about the soul, the Supreme Soul, the world cycle and also the history of the organization itself, meaning they are supposed be the subject of studying for BKIVV students.

Initially nobody wrote the murlis down with a view to storing them for the future. When BKIVV started to establish new centers in other cities, it became necessary to send classes for those living in the centers and for the students coming to the centers from outside. So, they started to write the murlis down, make copies and send them outside MountAbu. Still nobody was thinking of any form of storage, catalogues and so on. The paper with the text of murlis was used for various household purposes[xviii] and lots of classes were simply destroyed. Om Radhe left in 1965; Dada Lekhraj left in January 1969. The majority of the classes from the period of 1947-1964/65, if not all, have not been preserved. The classes from the period of 1965-68 have been preserved, but not completely. January 1969 was for many in BKIVV the time of a difficult examination. Student took over the reins of the organization.

At the end of 1969 a new student from Farrukhabad, Virendra Dev Dixit, came to BKIVV. It was Virendra who created a lot of confusion in BKIVV by his behavior and questions about the teaching contained in the murlis.[xix] Virendra turned out to be a very diligent and accurate student, for whom understanding the knowledge and following the directions contained in the murlis were the most important things. He desired to understand, so he was asking many questions. No one in BKIVV could or wanted to answer them. In addition, they didn’t make his studies of the murli easy. In BKIVV center in Ahmedabad students were forbidden to take copies of the murlis with them, although it was against the directions contained in those very murlis. However, Virendra managed to find access to the murlis, study them thoroughly, and consequently come to surprising conclusions that shocked most of BKIVV members around him and in the headquarters so much that they tried using threats and physical power to stop him from revealing them. It was the beginning of 70-ties. What Virendra discovered by studying the murlis undermined the foundation on which the seniors of BKIVV built their authority. The deep and thorough analysis of the murlis led to proving many surprising things such as: Dada Lekhraj can’t be considered to be the first and only chariot of Shiva, he can’t be considered to be the founder and so called Prajapita; the proofs showing that someone else played the main role and was the spiritual father at the beginning of the organization were deliberately or unconsciously skipped; the knowledge narrated through Dada Lekhraj is only the introduction, it is the basic knowledge which has to be clarified by the author in the future; many parts of the teaching were misunderstood, misinterpreted, changed or skipped; false information were distributed among the students; serious violations and warps in spiritual teaching and practice are taking place at the top of the organization, among seniors.[xx]

Virendra’s discoveries and revelations resulted in removing him from BKIVV and denying him the right to enter any center of the University. Meantime, Virendra provided BKIVV with logical detailed clarifications of murli points, presenting them how points from various classes combine with each other like parts of an ideal mosaic revealing new meanings before the student. The seniors from BKIVV didn’t agree with what they heard from Virendra’s mouth. Most of the students around him didn’t understand what he was talking about or feared that they might also be chucked out from BKIVV. Very few supported him. They recognized that he is Shiva’s new chariot - that one who had been mentioned many times in the murlis narrated by Shiva through Dada Lekhraj’s body. It meant a new chapter on their spiritual path and the spiritual teaching directly from ShivBaba.[xxi] In this way, AIVV – the spiritual school of the Advanced Knowledge came into being.[xxii] BKIVV has been trying to hide, deny and undermine its existence at all costs.

The hidden facts

                After being chucked out from BKIVV, Virendra prepared a detailed clarification of everything he discovered, proofs in the form of murli points along with the explanation of the four main pictures – everything in a written form, and sent it to the headquarters of BKIVV by registered mail. The package has never returned, so he assumed that it must have reached the addressee. No one from the administrators of BKIVV tried to contact him regarding the content. BKIVV continued using violence for some time.[xxiii] The conflict blew over around the beginning of 80-ties and it might have seemed that everything became fine. But it didn’t. BKIVV has been doing the same on a larger and larger scale. Instead of communicating the original Message to the world and transmit the true Knowledge received from Shiva to people, they keep organizing conferences, seminars, programs, mega programs and sessions dedicated to various topics far from what has been contained in the original teachings; they keep publishing various books not related to Knowledge; they remain busy in cooking and serving urbane cuisine and building bigger and bigger residences. Where are they getting money from? From their money-boxes where the public give donations for receiving the adulterated information.  

                AIVV is continuously making available classes and material containing detailed explanations showing increasing warps and adulterations of the original murlis of Knowledge narrated through Dada Lekhraj’s body in 1947-68, ‘facts’ made up by BKIVV, their manipulations of not only their students, but also the public opinion. Lots of materials related to this topic along with proofs are available in the Internet. The list of intellectual and spiritual wrongdoings committed by BKIVV is long. Some of them have been listed. The other wrongdoings are beyond the scope of this presentation.

  • Attempts to change the date of Lekhraj Kripalani’s birth to prove that in 1936 he was 60 years old which in turn should be a proof that he was Shiva’s only medium since 1936.
  • Adulteration of the history of the organization, its beginnings; presenting facts that are contradictory to what the original teachings narrated in the period of 1965-68 contain.[xxiv]
  • Adulteration of the preserved classes/original teachings (removing parts of the murlis, changing the content of points, hiding them, denying the free access to them, spreading adulterated knowledge)
  • Adulteration of the four main Pictures of Knowledge, which was forbidden in the original teachings and spreading them in the forms causing warps of Knowledge
  • Reprimanding in public and chucking out the students who try to follow actively the directions contained in the original teachings and which are not fully accepted by the administrators and seniors in BKIVV (e.g. the students’ right to the unlimited access to the classes, the ban on the worshiping and keeping images of Dada Lekhraj and the other living or dead members of BKIVV)
  • Spreading the false information on Shiva’s presence in Dadi Gulzar’s body and the adulteration of points from the murlis proving that it is impossible. Gathering thousands people form India and abroad on meetings with Shiva allegedly present in Dadi Gulzar’s body.
  • Spreading the false information that raja yoga is being taught in BKIVV and organizing courses of meditation named ‘raja yoga’, which in fact not only have nothing to do with the raja yoga presented in the original teaching, but are openly contradictory to them.
  • Spreading the false information presenting Dada Lekhraj as Prajapita (the Father of Humanity) which can’t be confirmed in the original teachings.
  • Hindering and denying the access to the sources through which the students demanding verification could verify the information and present teachings spread by BKIVV, which is contradictory to the rights given to the students in the original teachings.
  • Asking for donations, subsidies, contributions for BKIVV and creating chances for making them, which is prohibited in the original teachings. (‘It is better to die than to ask for something.’)
  • Creating organizational structures having administrative-governmental connections, which is prohibited in the original teachings
  • Spreading the cult of Dada Lekhraj, honoring his image in the form of the chart for meditation, photos and so on which is categorically prohibited in the original teachings.
  • Applying methods of the emotional, mental and physical violence. [xxv]

The members and ex-members of BKIVV through the Independent BKIVV Info Service are also revealing proofs of BKIVV’s wrongdoings. As the respond to the invitation to start an open dialogue and explain the above mentioned and other wrongdoings and adulterations of the original teachings, BKIVV remains indifferent or responds with violence.                                        

February 2010


[i] http://www.bkwsu.org/

[ii] "Brahma Kumaris Administration". BKWSU. http://www.bkwsu.org/whoweare/administration. Retrieved 2007-08-10. "Present statistics indicate that the University has 825,000 students and over 8,500 centers in 100 countries and territories."

[iii] 3-in-One, Autobiography of Dadi Nirmal Shanti; Literature Department  Brahma Kumaris, 2007

[iv] Ibidem.

[v] Ibidem.

[vi] Kalkuta, 7-A Lindsay Street, Surana Mansjon. Data from: 3-in-One, Autobiography of Dadi Nirmal Shanti.

[vii] Murli Khand 1,2 published by AIVV. Jest to wybór sakar murli i avyakt vani. The Murli, meaning the directly narrated classes, are considered by Brahma Kumaris to be the teachings of the incorporeal Shiva narrated through the chariot of the human body; it is the source of the knowledge about the soul, the Supreme Soul, the cycle of the world and the history of the spiritual school itself for all the students of BKIVV.

[viii] Ibidem.

[ix] Gyan Amrit varsh 42 ank 02 (January 2007)

[x] A Biography of Brahma Baba, Jagdish Chander, BK Publications.

[xi] Ibidem. And also in personal relations accessible in BKIVV publications.

[xii] Gyan Amrit varsh 42 ank 02 (January 2007)

[xiii] Ibidem.

[xiv] The official name BKIVV (Brahma Kumaris Iśvariya Viśvavidyalaya)

[xv] The selection of the Murlis1965-68. And in: Murli Khand 1,2 published by AIVV.

[xvi] Ibidem.

[xvii] The narrated classes are called ‘murli’.

[xviii] Students’ personal account available in BKIVV publications.

[xix] Ek adbhut kahani, published by AIVV

[xx] Ibidem.

[xxi] Direct quotations of students in the recorded classes published by AIVV.

[xxii] AIVV, Adhyatmik Iśvariya Viśvavidyalaya.

[xxiii] Ibidem. And also recorded classess published by AIVV.

[xxiv] The selection of the Murlis1965-68. And in: Murli Khand 1,2 published by AIVV. Gyan Amrit varsh 42 ank 02 (January 2007). All points from the original teachings are available through www.shivbaba.org.pl

[xxv] Panipat Newspaper, 14 February 2005

The mysterious date of Dada Lekhraj’s birth date

There is a saying 'If you put a drop of poison to the pot of milk, all will become poison.' It seems that there is benefit in discussing all these facts, but the problem is to maintain balance; it is difficult for the human mind  to maintain the position of the detached observer that doesn't want to prove himself, but only shows the facts in the way they could speak for themselves. Sorry for generalization; hope that nobody will feel offended. First of all this is something that I am applying to myself.

I have been doing some research for some time and I have found some documents in Hindi, produced by Brahma Kumaris (BK) which show that the point of view of the BK on many things, also on the date of birth of Lekhraj Kripalani  has been changing with the course of time. There are many discrepancies in what they are saying about Dada Lekhraj; we can observe that they are probably trying to build a "theory", but are unable to control all the sources. There must be a reason for this.

In 1976 Brahma Kumaris passed through a "double difficult time". On one side they had to face the consequences of that physical destruction that didn't take place[1] (public opinion, many members might have been disappointed etc.) On the other side a new chariot was revealed and created a lots of disturbances within BK[2]. AIVV explains that all the materials presenting the new knowledge, meaning the advanced knowledge revealed by Shiva through the new chariot were sent by the registered post to Mt Abu, to the headquarters of BKIVV. They must have been accepted by BKIVV, because there was no return. At that time the materials might have been stored in the literature department managed by Jagdish Bhai. Probably not many BKs if any at all at that time thought of what could happen in the near future and what could be the consequences of their behavior toward the one who was recognized in 1976 as the appointed chariot of Shiva. I haven't found any documents about what BK used to say about Lekhraj’s birth at that time, meaning 70-ties. However, the available published sources from 80-ties show something interesting. Probably Jagdish Bhai, before his death, was first to realized that there are strong facts revealed by AIVV against Lekhraj being the first and only medium of Shiva. Jagdish Bhai as the head of the literature department was probably informed about everything what was revealed by AIVV. He was also responsible for 'training' students of BKIVV in 'how to deal with the Shankar Party’, meaning AIVV.[3] The AIVV students who tried to explain to BK Prakashmani the key teachings narrated through the new chariot reported that she directed them to Jagdish.[4] So, his position must have been strong. It seems that it might be Jagdish Bhai who started changing the date of Lekhraj’s birth in BK's publications, first of all in his own publications.[5] And consequently as the head of the literature department in BKs he might have tried to control the other publications regarding this topic. In the Brief Biography of Brahma Baba he didn't placed any date of birth (or I am blind and can’t see it) which seems to be strange in the case of writing someone’s biography. It is also worthy of paying attention that in the same Brief Biography by Jagdish it was said on one of the first pages, ‘When Dada was about 55 or rather near sixties he became more and more devoted [...] suddenly he experienced visions of  four armed Vishnu…’ This expression ‘rather near sixties’ sounds as a strange addition, but of course I might be wrong. Then in Adi Dev republished in 1983  he writes  the date of birth "1876". How does it come that in one publication he is not sure about his age and in the other one published at the same time (more or less) he mentions the date of birth with such clarity? Meantime, the Gyan Amrit Magazine from 1.02 1986 states, ’in 1936 when he [Dada Lekhraj, Brahma Baba] was 50, he experienced many divine visions in which he saw.....’. This it turn proves that Lekhraj was born in 1886. A sort of an independent source (external to the BKIVV) ‘Struggles and sorrows; the personal testimony of a chief justice’ by Hardayal Hardy published w 1984 presents Dada Lekhraj as a man about 54 when he was in Hyderabad at the time the author was visiting him. The book mentions Lekhraj’s date of birth as the year 1884. This shows that Lekhraj was a man around 52 in 1936. The Autobiography of Nirmal Shanta Dadi, published or republished in 2007 states on page 42: 'When Dada was around 60 then came a sudden change in him....' The author refers to the period of experiencing visions in 1936.

All this shows something. It looks that BKs are trying to erase old data and present Lekhraj in a new perspective, the perspective that can make him the first and only chariot of Shiva right from 1936. To become this unconditionally, Dada Lekhraj needs to be 60 years old in 1936.

Something similar regarding Lekhraj’s  date of birth can be observed in websites.[6] The website that tend to be rather neutral like Wikipedia, refer to Hardayal Hardy and it may be interesting that it states also directly that ‘he was 85 years old at the time of death’.[7] The same date of birth, 1884, was mentioned in Hunt, Stephen J. (2003). Alternative Religions: A Sociological Introduction. Ashgate Publishing, Ltd.. pp. 120. ISBN 0754634108. This source is referred to by few websites.

The site http://indianspiritualgurus.blogspot.com/2009/10/dada-lekhraj-founder-of-prajapita.html mentioned two dates of birth: 1884 at the beginning and 1854 somewhere in the text (it looks like a mistake made by a slip of a finger). The BK sites at the present time (all the I have seen) present 1876 as Lekhraj’s date of birth.

The archival articles from The Daily Mirror and The Daily Mail of 1939 show Lekhraj as ’44 years old bhai’. One of the articles from The Daily Mail, July 5th 1939, states about Om Mandali ‘….Already property in Hyderabad has been confiscated from the founder, 44-years old Bhai Lekhraj, who has sworn to emulate Krishna the Hindu deity who had 16 000 women votaries. Lekhraj has now bought five buses. It is thought that he may be trying to develop the cult  by moving from place to place.’ The other archival articles also mention “44 years old Dada”. Well, these documents make Lekhraj be 41 years old in 1936! However, we can see what kind of information it is.  The short articles seem to be an attempt to raise emotions rather than a piece of information based on neutral facts. It is probable that the data haven’t been verified properly.

Anyway, based on the gathered materials we deal with the person who in 1936 was between 41 and 60 years old!

All right, it may happen that an institution doesn't know the date of birth of the so-called founder. Documents get lost, wars, conflicts, calamities and so on and so on...human memory fails. It does happen; it is not a crime. However, the institution BKIVV haven't said in public ever 'we do not know exactly how old he was....' This institution claims various things in various places, without any reference and if it has been done on purpose, it is a crime committed on the human mind and a crime of deliberate misinformation. To make things more curious in 'Is This Justice?' by Om Radhe, the closest helper of Dada Lekhraj his age in 1938 is given as 54, so his year of birth must have been 1884, he must have been 52 years old in 1936. From this point of view he couldn’t be the founder of the school and the first medium of Shiva.

 

February  2010


[1] The students of BKIVV were expecting ‘the destruction of the world in 1976’ which was mentioned earlier in the teachings of the organization.  The students were expecting the physical destruction of the entire world.

[2] AIVV recordings and publications. Ek Adbhut Kahani published by AIVV.

[3] Ibidem.

[4] Ibidem.

[5] It is an assumption waiting for the confirmation, when the very first editions of  books on Brahma Baba by Jagdish are available.

[6] Since the websites keep changing, the above mentioned websites were copied at the time of researching them (October 2009)

[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada_Lekhraj.

Comments 451 comments

pandurang 4 years ago

This is all bullshit... Bakwaas.... Why they are awakening after such a grand success of Brahmakumaris, They are jealous....

GOD is here... Distruction is near.... wakeup dear.... have some fear.... otherwise you have a lot to bear


avyakt 4 years ago

So what?


Prithi 4 years ago

The truth may be hidden for some time but eventually it will come out :)


Feniks 4 years ago

Yes, you are right padnurang, the Brahma Kumaris, the Daughters of the Great Mother will have to bear a lot for defaming both the Mother and the Father. And it will be the Mother who will punish them. They don't know the Father, the Ocean of Love. They have chucked him out from his home and created there a brothel.


Durant 4 years ago

Hello, destruction is happening. Not that it is near. It is happening. Who thinks that it is near will be destroyed. The great mountains, clouds of darkness and cults spread by the Brahma Kumaris all over the world are being destroyed.

Best


shivsena 4 years ago

It is very obvious that the soul "shivbaba" who has written the above article is a staunch pbk, but unfortunately he has written only half-truth, and he has not done any research on the history of the yagya regarding sevakram and the two mothers who were present in the beginning. According to advance knowledge, sevakram and the other 2 mothers have taken re-birth and they will be revealed as Trimurti shiv sometime in near future......this assumption(without any proof) is worse poison than what the bks are preaching. If the false bk version of the history of the yagya is misleading the innocent bk students.......the incomplete data of the 3 souls(sevakram and 2 mothers) and their re-birth theory is keeping the innocent pbk students in complete darkness (most of whom do not have the courage to ask their guru or seniors about them)........if any pbk is reading this, then i request him to give us the complete proof of existence of sevakram (as ram's soul) and his re-birth as Baba dixit in the present birth....and also the complete data of who were the two mothers and where have they taken re-birth.

[ A person should always remember that when he is pointing an accusing finger at others, the three other fingers are pointing towards him.]

shivsena.


shivsena 4 years ago

Divine brother.

“There is a pot full of milk. Put a drop of poison into it and all will become poison.” [ShivBaba]

You see bk knowledge as pot of milk poisoned by a drop of poison........but if you go deeper into advance knowledge given by Baba Dixit, then you will realise that the whole advance knowledge is a pot full of poison cleverly invented by Baba Dixit(Ishwariya form of maya) and presented as pure milk, which the pbks have been drinking unknowingly and only those who churn the murlis and vanis deeply get revived by drinking the nectar of their own churning (apni ghot toh nasha chade) numberwise.

shivsena.


Richard 4 years ago

The Bk organization is like a cult. I was a fool I let them take over my mind and almost ruined my life but I woke up and realized that they are a bunch of fools. Seriously some over weight ladies in India are going to tell you what to do. Seriously run away from these people they are like wolves in sheeps clothing. They speak of removing ego yet they show so much pomp and show. I recommend that you do not ruin your family relationships over these fools. I almost did and am glad that I woke up. Run away from the BK organization maybe at one time it was good but now it is rotten to the core.


kranti 4 years ago

baba dixit,bahut dur kar liya baccho ko apne bap se..

aap bhi bap ka gyan madhuban me aake lijiye aur auro ko bhi lene dijiye.

agar sacchai se wakif ho to is msg ko sabhi dikhana,nahi ho to wakif ho jaao.

knowledge bahut hai aapke pas par sacchai se ladane ki taakat nahi hai ki shivababa madhuban me dadi gulzar ke tan me aate hai.

khud ke gyan pe itna gurur thik nahi ki aap hm baccho ko,swayam bhagawan ko doshi keh rahe ho.

"sacchi ko saboot ki aavashyakata nahi"

bs dheeraj rakho.

as stated above by pandurang that we are jaleous........

it is absolutely wrong.for your mannerseless words i have to suggest u that if shivababa is there then why u write like mannerseless

change yourself.....

prepare yourself for heaven.......

if u deserve it.......


Varun Stravinski 4 years ago

Thank you for your commentary. All are very valuable remarks. It is an article of a researcher. I have only used it as a ready text after receiving permission from that person. If you like i can send you a contact address to the researcher, so you could discussed these matters directly.

As far as I understand these matters, the Brahma Kumaris spread the message that in 1969 after the death of Dada Lekhraj the Supreme Father Shiva departed from this earth which turns not to be true as the researcher proves. So, from the spiritual point of view it is a 'murder' of God. It is the same what atheists declared 'god died'. Nietzsche was famous for this. As far as I could understand the point of view of the researcher those processes have their shooting. The shooting has alread taken place among the Brahma Kumaris. They denied God's existence in this world, so they made the shooting of atheism. Correct me if I am wrong.

V Stravinski


Prashanth Patil 4 years ago

Don't believe it, the fact is what Murali says....

Destruction near to us........live a Peacful life..........

Go to Brahma Kumaris defintely u change.......


Sérgio Jorge Roca 4 years ago

I´ve been a BK for 30 years here in Brazil, The last 15 of then whith out any contact whith the BKs, and I think that It was the most important think I found in this life.

Very beatful organization nothing wrong, I know.


laxmikalyani 4 years ago

To

shivasena

I am a pbk.

Can you say how supreme soul entered into brahma baba? any proof?

You people say lord srikrishna is coming.From whom lordkrishna will take birth?

We are not in darkness, we are pandavas(little no.)now in gupt position.We attain our kingdom(universe) soon. we pity you people who dont know the meaning of shastras.supreme soul enteres into ordinary man not woman.That ordinary man is not brahmababa, he is very rich person.You people cannot directly ask your dadis any questions,but we ask our shivbaba directly.you people say kala's means dancing,singing,writing poems....are these part of knowledge(gyan). kala means the measurement of soul.we dont have any guru's or seniors. only one satguru shivbaba.If you have any courage you come and listen knowledge,then make comment.


BK Param 4 years ago

Dear Shiv Sena

What ever you have mentioned I feel that you are practising and preaching to people that is the reason why you are writing this sort of this. Come to BK and get the knowledge you yourself will know what is it provided you are willing to change.

Your soul Brother

BK Param


x-pbk 4 years ago

hello everybody

do you know why bk left karachi? and why the preachings during the period of karachi was buried ?

a hidden secret -- they preached that world was to end in 1950 , you need proof -- the original pictures and the divine decree telling this shameful past can be found on the downloads of brahmakumaris.info. kindly do read why everything that seems explainable can be false. brahmakumaris or any other relegion is human way to create meaning to his existence since there is no meaning to the existence at all. let the truth prevail.


laxmi 4 years ago

dear brother....wake up otherwise GOD is there....no one can make u understand bcoz u have such negitive mind....!! shiv baba also says two kinds of sons..good n bad one..u know in which u r....!! u are abusing GOD who has given u birth..who made u see this beautiful world..feel shame on what bullshit u have written....!!

u cant concentrate ur mind towards GOD and cant talk to HIM, so how will u know the true love of GOD and his great Kindness that HE will forgive u for this act of shamness....


Arvind 4 years ago

Dear Godly Brother,

You have misunderstood the grat teaching of Shiv Baba through Brahma Baba.Now this Iron age is already full of misguided soul,please do not make it more impure. You do your purusharth to spread the message of BABA and do not be in the side of MAYA.BABA has said that Always see the positive virtue in others and try to observe in your life. So writing this sort of article does not make any sense to Baba lovers. All is in drama and accordingly you are also plying your part with the help of MAYA.you be positive towards yourself as wll as other brothers my goos wished is always with you.May BABA give you right sense and spread the teachings of Super Soul to the rest of people in the world.

OM SHANTI


arun sharma 4 years ago

mai yeh janna chahta hu bk students,aur,bk se attached sabhi log,onion aur lehsun kyu nahi khate,maine suna hai ki baba ko pane ke liye in cheezo ko chodna hota hai,why kyu,,,,,,,,,,,,,baba ishwar hai to unhe kisi ke khane se kya matlab,,,,,bahut se log yeh sab khate hai phir bhi bhagwaan ko mehsoos karte hai,,,,,,,,pls ans me this question,


arun sharma 4 years ago

maine suna hai some bk girls shaadi nahi karna chahti,kyunki unka manna hai,baba ko paane ke liye paviter hona zaruri hai,,,,,,mujhe yeh baat samajh nahi aati ki shaadi ke baad aadmi apwiter kaise ho jana hai,,,,,kya bharma kumari ke anusaar yeh zaruri hai ki baba shadi shuda ko nahi milte,,,,,,,agar mann hi saaf na ho to aise paviterta ka kya faida,,,,,ans me


Nida 4 years ago

Arun Sharma, Shrimat says:

1. Shadi barbadi - getting married means ruin - sooner or later those who get married after entering the path of knowledge, will experience downfall, particularly the women, because they are weaker tha men in Kali Yuga. Instead of being free as kumari or kumar,and dedicate their life to God, they chose the path of being dependent and not free - this is not wise. This is like putting oneself deliberately to prison. It is something else when someone was married and later on entered the path.

2. Shrimat says also 'something that is not offered to deities should not be eaten.' This applies to onions, garlic. These palnts are considered 'ashudh' - not pure. These plants are typical for the Kali Yuga. As many Iron Age things as possible should be abondoned. You may use them as medicines in some situations when for example you have to chose between chemical antibiotics and garlic. Then, it is more beneficial to eat garlic, and avoid chemicals.


arun sharma 4 years ago

shrimat ji pls ans me in hindi,i understand english ,but not clear,,,,,,,,,pls ans me


Nida 4 years ago

Shrimat ke anusar, mana Sakar murliyon ke anusar ‘shadi hai barbadi’ - jo gyaan men ane ke baad shadi karte hai unka barbad hona nischit hai; khas karke striiyon ka, kyonki Kali Yug men vo purushon se kamzor hain. Kumar, kumari hone ke bavjud aur apne ko ishwariya seva men lagaane ke bavjud jo adhin hone ka marg apnaate hain, gyaan men ane ke baad, vo buddhimaan nahiin hain. Vo apne ko janbujkar jail men daalte hain. Jo shadi shuda ho ceke hain gyaan me ane se pahle unkii baat alag hai.

Shrimat kahte hai ki jo ciiz devtaon ko nahin dii jaatii hain unko nahiin khaana. Lahsun, pyaaz aadi ke liye yah lagu hai. Yeh hain ashudh sabzi. Kaliyugi sabzi. Isliye unko chodna hai. Parantu agar aapko medicine ke rup men cahiye to chemical antibiotics se lahsun zyada acchaa hogaa. Medicine ke rup men le sakte hain taaki chemicals na len.

Parantu yah sab kuch samajhne ke liye aap ko ishvariya gyaa lena cahiye. Iske liye aap http://kailashproject4.wordpress.com dekhen. Vahaan baiscs hain. Isse aur lene ke liye aap vahaan diye contacts use kijiye.

Apke liye shubh kamnaen :)


arun sharma 4 years ago

thanks for ans nida,ek baat bataye aap ,aap shadi ko barbadi kyu keh rahi hai,shadi to devto ne bhi ki hai,mai aapki es baat se hai hairaan hu ki gyaan ke baad shadi karne walo ki barbaadi nishchint hai,,kyu jihno ne gyaan me aakar baba ko paa liya,to unki barbaadi kaise ho sakti hai,and barbaadi ka faisla karne wale aap aur hum kaun hote hai yeh,to uppar wale ka kaam hai,usi par rehne do,and aap keh rahi ki kalyug mai larkiya mardo se kamzoor hai,agar gyaan me aane ke baad bhi kalyug mai larkiya kamzor hai fir gyaan ka kya faida,waise soory mai aap ki is baat se sehmat nnahi ki kalyug mai ladkiya kamzor hai,yeh sirf manne ki baat hai,mai yeh kehna chahta hu ki shadi ko adheen hona nahi kehte,agar wo apne pati ki seva karti hai,yeh adhinta nahi yeh pyaar aur farz hai,and na yeh koi jail hai aap ke hisaab se,aap hi kehte hai na ki positive sochiye,last mai mai ek baat kehna chahta hu ki,baba ka gyaan itna kamzor nahi hai ki shadi vagerah ke baad us par koi asar padega,


arun sharma 4 years ago

jo vi gyaan mai aane wali ladki,baad mai shadi karwaati hai,sab rishte pyaar se nibhati hai,aur apne baba ko bhi dil mai hamesha yaad rakhti hai,mujhe nahi lagta isse achi baat koi ho sakti hai,and bhagwaan ko shadi se koi matlab nahi hai ,wo to apne bacho ke mann ke ander apne liye shardha aur pyaar dekhta hai,and mai yeh baat gurientee se kah sakta hu shadi ke baad jo bhi jo ladki har rishte ke saath baba ko yaad rakhti hai,baba hamesha use saath hai,aur uski hamesha maddad karege.


arun sharma 4 years ago

nida yeh shrimat kaun hai?and pyaaz and lahsun ashud kyu hai,yeh to sabhi log khate hai,kya wo ashud hai,bade bade pandit,aur pir,wagerah khate the jin ki bhagwan se sidhi baat thi,mujhe nahi lagta ki bhagwaan ko hamare khane se koi aapatti hogi,jo nek kaam karta hai aur uski sacche man se ibadat karta hai wo ussi ko milta hai,khane ka insaano mai hota hai ,na ki bhagmaan mai,mujhe nahi lagta eh sab baate ki kya khana chahiye ya nahi khana chahiye baba kehte hai,eh kisi insaan ki soch hai,na ki baba ki,,,,pla ams me thanks


sahil khan 4 years ago

salaam bk,mera yeh question hai ki,maine aap ki book {saptahik patheyakarm} padhi hai,kuch hazaar saal pehle Hazrat Ibrahim ne islaam bharam ki sthapna ki,fir likha likha hai ki kuch so salo baad Mohd Sahib musalmaan dharam ki sthapna ki,aap mujhe yeh bataye khuda ke bando ki islaam ko manne walo ko musalmaan kehte hai,na ki musalmaan aur islaam alag alag religion hai,ok thanks ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ans me


Shivan 4 years ago

DONT BELIEVE IN THIS SHIT, I WAS MEMBER OF BK. FOR ALL THESE SILLY "A55H013" WHAT YOU CLAIM TO KNOW ABOUT THE REAL GOD WHEN THERE IS NO PRAYER, NO MANTRA. RAJ YOGA= SELF HYPNOSIS. BK SAYS YOU MUST BE PURE, 100% NOT EVEN EAT GARLIC/ONION, U MUST CHOSE CELIBACY...WTF EVERYONE CAN DO RAJ YOGA. LECKRAJ DISCOVERED AMERICA ON THE MAP!!!! SELF HYONOSIS EXISTED LONG BEFORE HE WAS BORN. GOD NEVER CAN BE INSIDE A BUSINESSMAN, A MAN WHO HAS A MARRIED LIFE, WHO HAS KIDS, WHO MAKE INNOCENT WOMEN AT TIME SUFFERED. IN THE YEARS 1937+ WOMEN WHO WENT TO LECKRAJ HOUSE WERE BEATEN, LOCKED IN CAVES WITHOUT FOOD FOR DAYS, SOME WERE PUT IN BARRELS AMONG RATS FOR DAYS...OTHERS WERE HUNG WITH ROPES AND PULLED IN PUBLIC FOR ATTENDING LECKRAJ CLASS.

AT ONE TIME LECKRAJ WAS SHORT OF MONEY AND EVERYONE WHO LEFT THEIR FAMILY HAD TO EAT 1 SPINACH LEAF/DAY!!!! THATS WHAT YOU CALL GOD???? ANOTHER TIME LECKRAJ TOLD A SISTER TO DO MEDITATION AND EAT ONLY MILK AND FRUIT, SHE TOOK 2-3 TEASPOONFUL OF MILK/DAY FOR 1 AND A HALF MONTH!!! AFTERWARD, WHEN SHE STOP MEDITATION, SHE FORGET EVERYTHING, EVEN HER NAME, EVEN LECKRAJ AND EVERYTHING!!! IT TOOK HER MANY DAYS TO SLOWLY GAIN CONSCIOUS!! YOU CALL THIS GOD??? ITS TYRANNIC!

HIS TEACHING IS MISLEADING, HE SAID HE WROTE THE REAL GITA! HE TAKE REFERENCE IN GITA MANY TIMES, BUT HE SAYS GITA WAS NOT WELL WRITTEN.

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LECKRAJ SAYS : ""I KNOW MY FUTURE I WILL BE KRISHNA WILL PLAY FLUTE IN HEAVEN, HEAVEN WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL PLACE, THERE WILL BE GOLDEN PALACE, DECORATED WITH DIAMOND, OUR DRESS WILL BE OF GOLD, PRECIOUS STONES. EVERYONE IN HEAVEN WILL BE BEAUTIFUL.""

1ST TEACHING OF BK IS EGO, BUT WHY BIG PALACE MADE OF GOLD??? WHY NOT SIMPLE HUT?

2ND TEACHING OF BK, BE SOUL CONSCIOUS NOT BODY CONSCIOUS, BUT WHY ONLY BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE IN HEAVEN???

3RD TEACHING OF BK, GREED IS A VICE, THEY WHY THEY ALWAYS SAY UNLIMITED LOVE, UNLIMITED JOY, UNLIMITED HAPPINESS?????

4TH AND MOST IMPORTANT, LECKRAJ SAYS THAT HE WROTE THE REAL GITA, BUT HOW CAN HE REWRITE GITA AND REPLACE HIMSELF INTO DEITY PLACE??? LECKRAJ WAS BORN ONLY FEW DECADES BACK WHEREAS GITA WAS WRITTEN CENTURIES AGO!!

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SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY, THE ITS NOT LECKRAJ WHO WILL GO TO HEAVEN ITS THE SOUL INSIDE HIS BODY, BUT LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING. LECKRAJ SAYS THERE IS ONLY 1 GOD,THE SUPREME GOD, AND THE SUPREME GOD LIVES IN ITS HOME. SO IF THERE IS CREATION OF GOLDEN AGE, THE SUPREME GOD WILL BE STILL ABOVE, SO ITS CLEAR THAT LECKRAJ HAS BEEN USING THE SOUL ARGUMENT TO MAKE PEOPLE BELIEVE OF HIM LIKE A GOD OR AT LEAST A DEITY!! HOW DARE HE CRITICIZE THE GITA AND SAY HE WILL REPLACE KRISHNA?( A BUSINESSMAN, A FATHER OF FAMILY, ONE WHO OWNED BULGALOWS, HOUSES, ETC).

HE ALSO STATED THAT THE END OF THE WORLD WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE OF WORLD WAR 3, THERE WILL BE A POWERFUL BOMB AND MANY PEOPLE WILL DIE,OUR SOULS WILL FLY TO THE SKY LIKE A SWARM OF BEE. THERE WILL BE A FEW PEOPLE WHO WILL REMAIN ALIVE ON EARTH!! SO HOW COME THERE WILL BE GOLDEN AGE WHEN SOME PEOPLE ARE ALIVE? AND WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE WHO WILL STAY ALIVE??

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WHY DO PEOPLE PRAY? FOR PEACE, LOVE, PROTECTION, AND MOST IMPORTANT FOR HEALTH AND SUCCESS.

BK SAYS, WE DONT ASK GOD, IT ALL DEPENDS ON OUR KARMA. SO IF SOMEONE IS SICK, THERE IS NO GOD TO ASK FOR HEALTH, UNLIKE OTHER RELIGION!!! IT SAYS THAT WHEN MEDITATING YOU DONT ASK BUT SHARE YOUR SADNESS WITH GOD, U TAKE LOVE FROM HIM, TAKE PEACE..

YOU KNOW WHY THAT??? BECAUSE THERE IS NO GOD IN BK. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FOOLED ALL THESE YEARS, THEY ARE PRACTICING SELF HYPNOSIS FOR RELAXATION, THERE IS NO COMMUNICATION WITH GOD, NOR ONE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH OTHERS USING RAJ YOGA. THERE CANT BE GOD WHERE THERE IS NO PRAYER, NO VIBRATION, NO MANTRA. IF ISLAM PRAYS 5 TIMES DAILY, CHRISTIANS PRAYS, HINDU PRAYS, BUDDHIST PRAYS ITS BECAUSE ITS GOD. THATS WHY ITS CLEAR BK IS NOT A RELIGION. BUT BK USES THE WORD GOD AS PUBLICITY TO ATTRACT INNOCENT, WHILE DOING SELF HYPNOSIS SILLY PEOPLE THINK ITS GOD!!! SEARCH YOUTUBE FOR SELF HYPNOSIS, ANYONE CAN EXPERIENCE RAJ YOGA IN LESS THAT 10 MINUTE, WITHOUT PENITENCE, WITHOUT BEING VEG, WITHOUT CELIBACY.

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LECKRAJ IN HIS BIOGRAPHY SAYS RE REFUSED TO MEET PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PURE, WHO DID NOT CHOSE CELIBACY, WHO ARE NOT 100% VEG, HE SAID THAT THESE PEOPLE CANT GO TO MT ABU BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PURE!!! DO YOU THINK ITS GOD REACTION TOWARDS HUMANITY??? DO YOU SEE ANY GOOD IN IT???

LECKRAJ HAD MARRIED LIFE AND KIDS, SO IS HE PURE????

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LECKRAJ CORRECTED THE GITA, WHEN HIS OWN MURLI MESSAGES ARE BEING CORRECTED FROM TIME TO TIME!!!!

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THE BENEFICIARIES OF BK ARE THE WOMEN THERE, GOLDEN AGE IS FOR THEM. ALL BK MEMBERS MUST DO DONATION(SOMETIME 10% SALARY), EITHER IN LABOR, MONEY,FOOD OR SPREADING BK MESSAGE. THESE SISTERS HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE, THEY HAVE MONEY, TV, INTERNET ACCESS, THEY WERE ONCE SERVANTS OF MAN, BUT NOW THEY GUIDE MEN. GOLDEN AGE FOR THEM, HELL FOR BK MEMBERS, THEY GIVE THEIR TIME, MONEY AND IN RETURN THEY GET HYPNOSIS!!!!

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BK DOENST ACCEPTS AGED PEOPLE OUT OF BK CIRCLE IN THEIR ASHRAM.

BK SAYS, IF ONE WANT TO BECOME A DEVOTEE, HE/SHE MUST BE USEFUL IN SOME WAYS, EITHER KNOW HOW TO TEACH, COOK...WELL PROFICIENT.. BUT WHAT FOR HANDICAPPED ONES? SO THOSES BK CENTERS ARE ONLY FOR BEAUTIFUL, CAPABLE WOMENS. THEY TAKE FROM BK MEMBERS, LEAD A STRESS-LESS LIFE!!

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IF BK SUCKS SINCE ITS CREATIONS, THEY HAVE BEEN OPPOSED EVERY-TIME AND HATRED BY MANY PEOPLE ITS BECAUSE ITS NOT PURE. THEY CLAIM TO BE PURE WHEN THERE IS NO PURITY. THERE IS NO GOD.

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BK TALK ABOUT KARMA, LECKRAJ MADE WOMEN LEAVE THEIR HUSBAND, GIRLS LEFT THEIR PARENTS.. MANY MILLIONS OF HUSBANDS AND MOTHERS HAVE SUFFERED, WHO WILL PAY FOR THESE KARMAS??? SO HOW CAN LECKRAJ BE KRISHNA WHEN HE MADE MILLIONS SUFFERED??

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THOSE WHO BELIEVE LECKRAJ AND NOW GULZAR DADI BODY TO CONTAIN GOD, I ASK THEM TO ASK GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. GOD CANNOT BE IN LECKRAJ NOR GULZAR BODY.. WHY DID GOD CHOSE ONLY 2 BK MEMBER BODY??? WHY? WHAT PROOF THERE IS THAT GOD IS IN GULZAR BODY?

SHE DOES SELF HYPNOSIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmBijGxuvis&feature...

COMPARE WITH:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v-sBPki0Ys


Shivan 4 years ago

BK IS:

A CULT=An interest followed with exaggerated zeal.

A SECT= A subdivision of a larger religious group.

AND BK IS NOT AN:

ORGANIZATION=A group of people who work together.

BK HIDE AWAY ALL MURLIS FROM PUBLIC, WHY IS IT SO? IT THERE WAS GOOD FOR THE HUMANITY, WHY NOT MADE IT AVAILABLE? ITS BECAUSE THEIR MURLIS ARE ERRONOUS.

LIKE THEY PREDICTED END OF THE WORLD TO BE MANY DECADES BACK!

INFACT WHAT HAPPENED IS BEING A RELIGOUS MAN, AND A BUSINESSMAN DEALING IN DIAMOND + THE FACT THAT LECKRAJ CHOSE AN OLD PALACE IN MT ABU AS CENTER, IT ALL MINGLED IN LEKRAJ MIND WHEN DOING SELF HYPNOSIS. THATS WHAT HE THOUGHT TO BE HEAVEN, PALACE MADE OF GOLD& DIAMOND AND GITA TEACHING WAS FAKE.. THE TRUTH IS HE MINGLED ALL THESE IN HIS SUBCONSCIOUS AND INTERPRETED THE GITA IN HIS OWN WAY. THERE WAS NO GOD, NO MEDIUM. THIS SELF HYPNOSIS WAS A MYSTERY 70 YRS BACK IN A REMOTE PLACE IN INDIA. ITS A BIT LIKE A KID SEEING A SATELLITE IN THE SKY WILL THINK ITS AN OVNI. BECAUSE ITS OUT OF HIS KNOWLEDGE THAT MAN SENT A MANMADE OBJECT INTO ORBIT.

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SELF HYPNOSIS IS USED IN MILITARY/POLICE AND BY PSYCHOLOGUE TO GET INFORMATION FROM SUBCONSCIOUS. THIS ENABLE PEOPLE TO RECREATE A CERTAIN THOUGHT, AND THIS ENABLE VICTIM OF RAPE TO IDENTIY THEIR RAPIST. IT DOENST MEAN THAT GOD CAME INTO THESE PEOPLE TO DESCRIBE THEIR AGRESSOR FACE!!

USE COMMON SENSE DUDE. HYPNOSIS IS NOT EQUAL TO GOD.

YOU WANT TO KNOW THE REAL TRUTH??? DO AN ADN TEST AND SEE FROM WHICH RELIGION YOU BELONG TO, IF YOU ARE HINDU, BELIEVE IN YOUR HINDU RELIGION. IF YOU ARE MUSLIM, BELIEVE IN ISLAM..AND SO ON. DONT GET INVOLVE INTO A SECT WHO IS AGAINST YOUR BLOOD RELIGION.

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SOUL BROTHER AND SOUL SISTER ARE FOR SILLY PERSONS. INTELLIGENT ONES ARE USING THESE WORDS TO GAIN PERSONAL BENEFITS. WHAT SOUL BROTHER? WHAT SOUL SISTER? THE DAY YOU DIE, YOU WILL GO ALONE, THE DAY YOU NEED HELP, YOUR SOUL SIBLINGS WILL SAY GOD BE WITH YOU, THE DAY YOU ARE STARVING, THEY WILL SAY ITS KARMA, THE DAY THERES NATURAL DISASTER, THEY WILL SAY THE END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR! SO WHAT ARE SOUL SIBLINGS?? THESE ARE NAMES SUPPOSINGLY TO REFER THAT WE ARE CHILDREN OF GOD, BUT ITS ONLY A NAME, IT SERVS NOTHING. SOUL BROTHERS/SISTERS!! LOL PEOPLE WHO ADHERE TO BK PRINCIPLES SAY, NO TO ATTACHMENT, THEY LEAVE THEIR FAMILY, THEY HAVE NO LOVE FOR THEIR BLOOD RELATIONSHIPS..AND THESE PEOPLE WILL TALK ABOUT SOUL BRO/SIS!!!!!

GET A LIFE DUDE!!

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@ LAXMI "YOU CANT CONCENTRATE YOUR MIND TOWARDS GOD", DO SOME RESEARCH ON SELF HYPNOSIS.. THERES NO CONCENTRATION TOWARDS GOD IN RAJ YOGA. RAJ YOGA IS AN EXERCISE. I THINK YOU KNOW HOW TO WRITE ENGLISH AND YOU HAVE A BRAIN, USE IT 4 GOD SAKE!!!! STOP LIVING IN THE DARKNESS!!

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@ NIDA: 1ST GETTING MARRIED IS FORBIDDEN IN BK ONLY, IF THE WORLD BELIEVE IN LECKRAJ, THERE WOULD BE END OF THE WORLD!!! NO NEXT GENERATION. ISLAM SCRIPTURES SAYS, THEIR PROPHET MARRIED 11 TIMES, HERE LECKRAJ SAYS CELIBACY!!

THIS WAS APPLICABLE IN THE EARLY 1900'S. INDIA WAS POOR AND WOMEN WERE TREATED LIKE SLAVES, TO STOP CRUELTY, CELIBACY WAS THE BEST OPTION. NOWDAYS PEOPLE STILL STICK TO THIS BARBARIC PRINCIPLE. WHICH RELIGION BOOK SAYS THAT EVERYONE SHOULD ADHERE TO CELIBACY??

EATING GARLIC IS GOOD FOR PEOPLE WITH HEART ATTACT RISKS, ONION IS GOOD FOR THE EYES. THESE ARE PLANTS USED SINCE OUR GREAT GRAND FATHER EXISTANCE. YOU CANNOT BLAME PEOPLE ACTION ON ONION AND GARLIC!! ONION PRODUCTION IS INCREASING EVERY YEAR, ONLY BK MEMBERS WHO ARE BLIND WILL NOT USE ONIONS.

HEY DUDE USE YOUR COMMON SENSE, GOD GAVE YOU A VAGINA AND A PENIS, ITS NOT TO PUT IN THE PANTS OR INTO MUSEUM!!

YOU HAVE TO USE IT, ELSE YOUR GOD LECKRAJ WOULD HAVE CREATED GOD WITHOUT PROSTAT, WOMEN WITHOUS OVARIES!!!


B.K.AVANEESH 4 years ago

MURKHO KI SANKHYA JYADA HAI SAMAJHDARO KI KAM ISILIYE ACHCHHI CHIJO KA VIRODH KARTE HO. MAGAR PYARE APNI JINDAGI DEKHO AUR GAHRAI SE SOCHO NIRNAY AAPKA HAI.


Ritesh 4 years ago

If god is in brhama dada body, then ive got Einstein Brain!!!LOLzzzz


Carlos 4 years ago

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AvoWt...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AkI01...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AhcZG...

To all bk's,read people opinions and see how many people like you in this world, whats the use of sacrificing your life but in your neighboring has no love for you.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=404B374DB2...


ishu saini 4 years ago

who the hell is this Virende..................what ever he is decoverd is just bullshitt nothing more this.....he has totally mis understode the concept behind Brahma Kumaries.....& the massege of God Shiva..Mr. Virender u have mentioned baseless things about our respected Dadi's. U will soon be punished by ur luch is my promiss to you. U don't know that only Brahma kumaries hi ak aise sanstha hai jo ab tak kisi bhi vivad mai nhi aai hai


Kunal 4 years ago

Test your IQ silly, here's the link!

http://iqtest.com/


Shivan 4 years ago

Please remove all my comments from this page. its the absolute truth about bk. but this can lead to anger and war between anti om mandali and bk. so please do needful,let blinded people live their life as they wish.

thanks


Mahabaleshwara Bhat 4 years ago

The part of God is going on- But knowledge sits only in pure intellect. So one who wishes to become pure (free from vices) only will understand the role of God through Brahmakumaris.

But the strange thing is- God has spoken murlis in such a way that it will be secret even for those BKs who do not like to put effort. Hence pbk = AIVV has come out from BKWSU and is putting obstacle to BKWSU. But, I have faith in teachings of BKWSU and very much satisfied about it. Of course, there may be some weak BKs. But it does not imply teachings of BK are wrong.

All the best.


BK.HIMANSHU 4 years ago

Hum sirf itna kahna chahte hain ki shiv baba dadi gulzar ji ke tan me aate hain. Please samajhne ki koshish kare aap log. Ye "ANTI OM MANDALI" maya ka royal roop hai isse door rahiye. BRAHMA KUMARIS bilkul sahi hai. Aur aap log apni zindagi ki socho doosra kya karta hai ye nahi. "I LOVE SHIV BABA and BRAHMA BABA" Om shanti


shivsena 4 years ago

Bks preach that God is shiva and that HE is not omnipresent...but if you read between the lines then this very teaching gives the message of nirakar(omnipresent) God as a point of light(mentioned in all religions) in some imaginary distant red-coloured world at the far end of the universe which cannot be proved objectively.

shivsena.


Ajit 4 years ago

Why are we still fighting to prove each other false?why we are still balming others?

Lets pray for the happiness of others,lets do good to be good.

May God Bless All


BK.HIMANSHU 4 years ago

I want to tell u something that koi bhi insaan itna budhimaan nahi hai ki Ishwariya Karya mein kami nikale ya uske uper ungli uthaye. SHIV BABA hi god hain aur wo dadi ji ke tan mein aate hain. ye bilkul sach hai kyonki agar BRAHMA KUMARIS galat hoti to Itne sare BK kabhi CELEBACY ko follow nahi kar pate. Hamari PAVITRATA hi hum sab ''BK'' ka saboot hai ki humare paas GOD SHIV BABA hai. OM SHANTI

bk.himanshu


arun sharma 4 years ago

mai yeh janna chahta hu bk students,aur,bk se attached sabhi log,onion aur lehsun kyu nahi khate,maine suna hai ki baba ko pane ke liye in cheezo ko chodna hota hai,why kyu,,,,,,,,,,,,,baba ishwar hai to unhe kisi ke khane se kya matlab,,,,,bahut se log yeh sab khate hai phir bhi bhagwaan ko mehsoos karte hai,,,,,,,,pls ans me this question,bk himanshu


arun sharma 4 years ago

maine suna hai some bk girls shaadi nahi karna chahti,kyunki unka manna hai,baba ko paane ke liye paviter hona zaruri hai,,,,,,mujhe yeh baat samajh nahi aati ki shaadi ke baad aadmi apwiter kaise ho jana hai,,,,,kya bharma kumari ke anusaar yeh zaruri hai ki baba shadi shuda ko nahi milte,,,,,,,agar mann hi saaf na ho to aise paviterta ka kya faida,,,,,ans me himanshu saaab


amit rathi 4 years ago

shivan you say right in your way......

lekin bhagwaan ke baare me kuchh bhi kahna sambhav nahi hai.....hum bhi nahi kah sakte .........aur haan tumne abhadra shabdo ka prayog karke apni saari buddhimaani show kar dee......ishwar ki aur abhimukh hone ke liye brhamcharya jaroori hai..........kaam ek enerzy hai ya to ise kaam me laga do ya raam me....

yahan chup rehna hi behtar hai....


bk mohit 4 years ago

baba ko yaad karo..... samay bahut kum hai.... :)

just be happy always..... you want to see yourself happy after 5000 years again or not...? baba to pyar ka sagar hai..... gyan data hai,..... sab ko apna path rachana hi hai..... baba ko yaad karo.... om shanti ..


bkmohit 4 years ago

gyan ki bhasha [language] use hi samjh aayegi jo brahma dwara adopt kiye hue hai...... hume ye nahi pta ki kon hai wo aatmaye[souls].... par jo adopt kiye hue hai unhe ye baatien touch hogi........ ghar to sab ne jana hi hai....

baba ko saath rakh chalo.... :) baba mila or kya chahiye.. khushi har dam rehni chahiye face pe..... gyan baato.... jinhe touch hoga wo saath aayenge.... om shanti


hello 4 years ago

every thing is bull shit i came to know

i saw the site of vishnuparty saw the site of shanaker party saw about sathis party saw about brham kaumris

take good from everyone be also a sanaysi my anme is krishna i am going to start krishna party that is left

please bless me i am going to be born as krishna


Amit 4 years ago

Brahmakumaris r giving a wrong interpretation of everything Hindu, they r serving the Hindu ideas to non hindues (semetic christ , jew , islam ) etc in mold of their religion , like they r saying there is only one Parmatma ( Monothiesm) , 4 Yugas in only 5000 years, they r manipulating concepts of re incarnation , karma , they say God is point of light , all these r non sense , the Raj yoga , they preach is also not of Patanjali , but something in which they have concentrate on Light Bulb ,they tell the followers to avoid sex completely, some one who is married why he should follow this, this is suppression , does not Hinduism accept Grihastha as a ashram in life , and also , I wonder how people accept these foolish ideas , Brahma kumaris have gathered much wealth , i think they will always be able to find followers from westerns but at least Hindues should understand their Traditional religion


Amit 4 years ago

what a bakar that everytihng repeats in 5000 years cycle, according to u there were no Dinasours ? no evolution ,

there r cultures which existed earlier than 5000 years ,

u ppl r neglecting all kind of proof of science and archeology , god has given u mind use that and leave Brahma Kumari , don't beleive something bcz some Dada ji has said so & so , be a real Hindu , use ur intellect


arun  4 years ago

koi hai jo mere questions ka ans de sakta hai,mai intzaaar kar raha hu,question upper likhe hai read kar lo


Ajit Rath 4 years ago

Why confusion?

it's all either you beleive in almighty or you do not believe in.

Either you believe or not just do good to be good for all.

God is every where in every form.let's leave it to each individual in which form they worship and they believe.

May God Bless All.


BK Mathra 4 years ago

where is all this going...look within and realise who you are....meditate and feel Babas'love...don't lose out on the opportunity...YOU ARE BRINGING MORE PUNISHMENT TO YOURSELF FOR THESE NEGATIVE COMMENTS.

OM SHANT


BK sara 4 years ago

From all the comment above, it seems that nothing going to happen for us. The only way to make our soul more fortune and happy is to consider ourself to be a soul and remember shiv baba in shanthidham


winner 4 years ago

.IT'S NOT A COMMENT IT'S MY OWN EXPERIENCE.

mujhe nahin pta brahmakumaris kya kehti hain ya log kya kehte hai.mujhe sirf itna pta hai ki baat sabki suno par last decision apka hi hona chahiye.afterall yeh apki life hai.aur yeh baat sach hai ki jab tak aap god ko pure dil se aur sachayi se nahin yaad karte to aap ko expect bhi nahin karna chahiye ki woh aap se mile.aaj ek baat btani hai mujhe ki god hain,woh ek light hain aur unka naam shiv hai.yeh main apne personal experience se bol rahin hun.bcoz woh mujhse milne aate hain in the form of light nd mera unse ek relation ban chuka hai.aur shayad isiliye maine bks ki baat ko sach mana nd kyunki usse pehle mujhe yeh nahin pta tha ki bks kya kehti hain.bas aap sab se yeh kehna chahti hun ki atleast ek bar unhe without selfishness or without any expectations ke yaad karo woh bhi unki true identity ke saath.afterall woh humare pita hain.unhe pta hai ki mera koi bacha mujhe yaad kar raha with true honesty.is baat ka experience aapko tab hoga jab aap unhein sirf unhein dil se without any expectations ke yaad karoge.aur ek din aap apna experience khud meri tarah sabse share karoge.bas apko sirf itna hi karna uske baad apne actual pita par chod dena.woh apne aap samajh jayenge.aur agar apko satisfaction na ho to samajh lena ki aapki yaad mein hi shayad honesty nahin thi.vaise bhi jab tak kisi ko khud experience nahin hota woh kisi ki baat ko seriously nahin manta.so move on and share ur feelings, thoughts and experience with seekers of truth.

this one is on the name of one true god our father shiv.appearence-a point of light.which lives beyond or above the sky and this universe.


PRABIN SHRESTHA 4 years ago

HOW DO WE KNOW THAT OUR 84 BIRTH HS BEEN TAKEN OR NOT.????


The truth about BK 4 years ago

BK boast about praying the "real" god, when in-fact their believers create an image of a point of light in their mind.

So if i say to myself god is an apple, and in imagine im an apple and god is a bigger apple..does it mean that the real god is a big apple??

Use common sense man!

BK teachings are copied from the Holly Gita, Leckraj said BK dont pray statues, they communicate directly to god by raj yoga meditation..

1st Leckraj is the FIRST ONE who misunderstood Gita, When people pray in a temple, or in a church, for example lighting a candle before christ, It DOES NOT mean that they are illuminating the statue!! Its something symbolic in thought that there is a god but not a statue. Just like BK create god in their mind, others represent it by statue. When Shiv devotees use milk over a shivling It NEVER mean that they are expecting the Shivling to absorb the milk, nor to produce any miracle.

Leckrai is wrong criticizing the Holly gita when he didnt understand it at all.

Bk think god as light, a point of light, energy, because they say " the soul which is a point light is immortal. It travels through the incorporeal region where matter cannot travel, no mankind will be able to reach there.."

Totally wrong, light is energy..energy can be converted from one state to another. and light has mass, has matter, is material.. E=mc^2 or m=c^2/E

which means MASS=speed of light(squared)/Energy.

So light is material, though in a infinitesimal amount.

The holly Quran which date long before bk creation just recently (1937), has verses which talk about bakrid, kurbani.. which is not a 100% veg principle..

In the bible which date long before BK creation, has verses which says "drink wine...." And its also mentioned that no one has seen god.

Mission organizations with great leaders like Benny hin, their teachings says, god created you, dont displeasure him by making yourself suffer. he gave you a body, take care of it, he gave u a life live it happily.. Its also not said people should restrict themself on food because its torturing god's creation.

BK is totally the opposite, Many people who joined bk fell sick, psychosomatic sickness. Because they are not living a real life, they have no willingness to dress properly, do a brushing, and so on. They are stressed deep inside, they think they relax themself with rajyoga when its in reality seclusion. They dont live a social life.

@prabin

If Bk was real, all BK members should me born without SEX, thats when they'll know they are on their last life cycle.

As its all lies, every children born are born with one.

If reincarnation do exists, how come world population is increasing every second?? If there were souls waiting above, then why did they wait so much time to come down??

There's nothing coherent in BK principle.


Guddu 4 years ago

Forget the whole murlis and start reading better philosophies like Neale Walsch Donald, Paulo Coelho and Robin Sharma. They have given a beautiful and better meaning to life and existence.


Karthik 4 years ago

The PRAJAPITA BRAHMAKUMARIS ISHWARIYA VISHWA VIDHYALAYA is the best institution in the world in terms of spirituality. All the infdrmation which is revealed through the Muralis is 100% true. It is a person's understanding of the knowledge which is subjective. Before passing any negative comment, one needs to understand the real meaning conveyed through the muralis and that is possible only when one attends the murali class without a prejudiced mind. It is extremely easy to pass defamatory statements about others without studying the entire matter in reality. In my opinion, every single question about our life has its answers in the Murali. If one fails to understand this fact, then one needs to question one's intellect. I am 24 yrs and speaking from personal experience and consider myself very lucky to have found an answer to the questions in my life. Every question ranging from birth, career, purpose of life, principles in life, true values of life, karmic a/cs and death of the body has been answered. In fact, the greatest question in life - WHO AM I? has been answered in this institution.

I urge all the readers of this message to experiment for themselves and not go by others' opinion or experience. Each persons' intellectual capacity would vary and hence it would be fair for every person to personally attend the free 7 day rajayoga meditation course and atleast a few murali classes before coming to a conclusion on this issue. YOUR LIFE MAY TURN OUT TO BE A BEAUTIFUL JOURNEY IN FUTURE. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF EXPERIENCING THIS BEAUTIFUL EDUCATION ONCE. YOU DO NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY JUST TRYING SOMETHING NEW. ON THE CONTRARY, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING TO GAIN. Make peace, happiness and love a reality in life. I wish all the readers good luck for their future.


bk kailash bhai 4 years ago

ALL is a pefact planed drama nothing new dont minded be holo & be yogi


BK Kishor(Delhi) 4 years ago

Om Shanti, Mere atma bhaio.........We are all brother.....in the world


Arup 4 years ago

After so much of comments from lots of people what is the end result. You go to any religion and ask question to different people you will find contradiction someone will say yes Jesus was there someone say this is one myth circulated by Missioneries or Pope to get power. Take any example Buddist has a philosophy of incarnation someone believe on it someone not... But in actual no one can describe God in one word or some words. It is your personal feelings hence there will be difference rather than trying to show right path to others better which path you like and follow the same. If you are satisfied with that keep it within yourself because other may not like your path. Beacuse gaol is one we are all trying to understand GOD.....


NICS 4 years ago

STOP FIGHTING .....................

JUST CONCENTRATE ON A POINT THAT IF WE WILL DO GOOD DEEDS THEN WE WILL GET GOOD.....................

BK ARE DOING GOOD JOB.....AND I WANT TO SAY ONE THING TO ALL BK's THAT IT IS WORTHLESS TO COMMENT HERE BCOZ NO ONE WILL TRY TO HEAR YOUR POINT.............. I M NT A BK.............

BUT I KNOW THAT EVERY THING IS PLANNED ....................

I WANT TO SHARE MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH YOU ALL............WHEN I WS IN 11TH STANDARD I GOT INTUTIONS THAT CARS ARE BURNING ON THE ROAD AND PEOPLE ARE RUNNING HERE N THERE TO SAVE THIER LIVES .......

I THOUGHT THAT ALL THOSE THINGS GOING THROUGH MY MIND WS JUST STUPID SCENES..............

BUT THEN I SEARCHED MANY THINGS ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION ,,,,,,,,I FOUND SMTHNG ABT NOSTRADAMUS..............

PEOPLE WHO DON'T HV FAITH IN BK'S , NOSTRADAMUS ME TO FAITH HOGA? NASA HV ALSO CLAIMED ABOUT DESTRUCTION IN 2012.....................

AGAR KISI KO APNI DEATH K BARE ME HI PTA LAG JAYE TO USKA KYA FAYADA ISLIYE KISI KO KUCH SAMJHANE KI JARURAT NHI...................

YE PAKKA H DESTRUCTION HOGI..............


Diro  4 years ago

People, what are you talking about. The articles are about serious falsifications that the Brahma Kumaris have committed. They misled people and teach them false history. You can check these facts in source. And you here are talking about things not connected with the topic and start fighting. Shame. Do not call black white and white black. The Brahma Kumaris have committed wrong deeds. Lying, falsifying history, hidding facts are not good things that someone noble should do. Facts speak for themselves. Go back to the article and read it carefully. Open your eyes, please. Do not call black white. This is what Pharisees used to do. :) Keep smiling.


BK Kishor 4 years ago

Sabka Malik Ek Phir Kyo Bata Hua Sansar Hai Sach Pucho To Sari Duniya Apna Hi Parivar hai..............We are aal Brother.


Positive Author 4 years ago

Correct Information about Brahma Kumaris, Please, do visit: http://positiveauthor.blogspot.com/2010/11/brahmak...


Marina 4 years ago

The information given by Positive Author (http://positiveauthor.blogspot.com/2010/11/brahmak... not true. BK is a destructive millenarist sect organised hierarchically around the cult of non-living Brahma Baba who is concidered to be Krishna. Members engaged themselves in many cults and worship practices and are forced by main gurus to obedience and blind faith. No open dialogue, no healthy exchange of thoughts, lots of manipulations and also incidents of child abuse and involving in sexual relationships by local sect gurus.

Marina (ex Brahma Kumari)


Bk santanu 4 years ago

baba is right and anything against baba is wrong


BK kishor 4 years ago

You are right Shantanu Bhai G


swapnasane 4 years ago

I am not accept these article why means the BK's tells only truth about purity and pease. today peoples are suffering with so many problems and how to solve these problems first you faith and worship the GOD.shivababa is supremesoul of the world.after reading these article i understood that these matter all wrong there is no idea of omshanthi and shivababa and criticize prajapita brahmababa.


sum 1 4 years ago

hey marina

plz pass proper info. abt d org.dis shows ur lack of knowledge and courtesy.u r lying.bk is a very good org.


You R Right Marina 4 years ago

God is always right.


varun 4 years ago

u people r extinct this itself shows that paramatma is not on ur side. by reading this article it seems that this is a work of inside traitor who playing with some facts and confusing d public for there own self fulfilling goals. the time u spent in convincing others with ur story writing should be spent on ur spiritual development that's y ur school of thoughts r no ware in map. by defaming others making name is not a work of Adhyatmik person. parampita parmatam shiv will accept u as u were just come from aasuri smperdaye to ishwaria smperdaye. may ur soul rest in peace.


Om Shanti 4 years ago

Mere Pyare Bhai Varun G,,,,Kaise Hain Aap?


bk anil 4 years ago

to all brothers and sisters

pls do not follow anyone or their comments

if you want to know anything just go to the nearest centre of bk and decide


Manju bhatt 4 years ago

Shiv baba aa chuke h ...apna work kr rhe h ...hame apna role play krna h...jise samajh nahi aa rha wo b galt nahi..drama k anusar uska role wahi h...sab fix h pahle se...koi bat nahi..abi too late ka board nahi laga...baba sabko pyar krte h wo unhe unka role jarur yad dilayenge...om shanti


monikka 4 years ago

Want to become a Brahma Kumari Kindly let me know the procedure also the creteria to become one.


Bk saurav 4 years ago

i dont understand why people are so confuse ya read all the topic up ... u know ye sab aapni bhagya ki bat hai . koi kitna durbhagyavan do sakta hai ki aapne pita ko pahvhan kar bhi anjan bane ... mujhew nahi pata ki dadalekhlarj aapne personal life me kya karte the aur kya hua aur ye shevakram ji kaun hai .. but i beleive ki jo bhi sacha sukha hai wo baba ki yad me hin hai . baba ki murli me hin hai .. baba jo kahte hai through murli wohi sahi hai.. baba jo bhi raste batate hain wo hiu sahi hai ... beco after a long experience maine yehi feel kiya hai ki .. jo bhi chal raha hai wahi satya hai


Bk Kishor  4 years ago

You R Right Saurav Brother.


akanksha 4 years ago

kya shiv baba ab aatein hain brahmakumaris ke paas gyan dene ke liye ya nahin?dadi gulzar ke body mein kaun aate hain?plz tell me.


Narendran 4 years ago

I also think like this type but what the truth when we far from baba it is our own mistakes we can not blame baba or yagya seniors dadi`s dada`s etc we don`t know who they are it is great sin and we will get great punishment so don`t do like this if u don`t want leave and move forward don`t blame yagya or seniors because i was 16 years feed by yagya and i know about yagya dada and seniors so u finish here and don`t repeat this if u repeat no one can save u


BK kIshor(Delhi`) 4 years ago

Akanksha Bahan G, Aapke sawaal ka answer hai, ki shiv baba ab bhi aate hain par ab jyada time nahi aap time waste na karke khud kisi center par jakar rajyog ka course kare to aapko sara clear ho jayega...ye ek bhai ki aapse request hai apni bahan ke liye.....kyonki shiv sandesh to sabko milenga jo baad me koi ye na kahe ki hamara pita aaya or aapne hame bataya bhi nahi.....any question ...pls sms 7838445391


Pavit 3 years ago

read this website carefully and below this website page click next and read next website next pages also...

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/experts03.ht...

those who agree with it will automatically know what life is about... just think think think and understand carefully

Thanks


Pavit 3 years ago

read this website carefully and below this website page click next and read next website next pages also...

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/experts03.ht

those who agree with it will automatically know what life is about... just think think think and understand carefully

God is One That is Shiv Baba

Thanks


Navin 3 years ago

This article is an good example of how rumors are being spread. Such a lengthy article but no facts.

God's word is one and even followers of Virendra believe in the same. However even today they steal Murlis and work with suppression of facts as was recently discovered by my relative.

Any way human beings may come out with different interpretations over a period of time as seen with other religions. So it is important to read God's words. You will realize whatever discussed in this article is not of nay significance anyway.

Regards


Prachir 3 years ago

Just read Shivbaba.org. the mouthpiece of PBK (Virendra Dixit). It doesn't look true at all.


Abhirup 3 years ago

the topic of the Article is contradictory. God was never been killed, neither it can ever be. Its only an effort of bringing some facts which may or may not be true. Anyways instead of going into such facts lets appreciate what role BKIVV plays in our life. As Baba always have said thoughts other than union with Baba are wasteful. Lets abide by our beloved Baba. Peace and love for all souls who are against and in favour of this Article. Om Shanti


BK AVIJIT (KOLKATA) 3 years ago

TRUTH CANNOT B HIDDEN 4 LONG... IT WILL REVEAL ITSELF 1 DAY...

IF U WANNA KNOW THE REAL TRUTH OF BRAHMAKUMARIS .. VISIT UR NEAREST CENTRE N KNOW UR SLF...!

OM SHANTI....!


bk 3 years ago

pandurang MADARCHOD IS bHADVE KI BAAT PAR BHAROSA SALA CHUTMARI KA YE SACH HAI AUR AGAR KISI NE BRAHMA KUMARIS KE BAARE ME GALAT BOLA TOH WOH YE GAALI KA SHIKAR HOG


bk 3 years ago

pandurang MADARCHOD IS bHADVE KI BAAT PAR BHAROSA SALA CHUTMARI KA YE SACH HAI AUR AGAR KISI NE BRAHMA KUMARIS KE BAARE ME GALAT BOLA TOH WOH YE GAALI KA SHIKAR HOG


varun 3 years ago

please friends dont call in trap of this patharbudhi's article we r sons of god so we have behave in such a way that our action, bol and sankalp bapdada ko partkshye kre.


varun 3 years ago

please friends dont fall into trap of this patharbudhi's article we r sons of god so we have behave in such a way that our action, bol and sankalp bapdada ko partkshye kre.


bk 3 years ago

Lekin ye pandurang madarchod aur shivsena bhi kya samaj te he apne aap ko aur ye amit ki maa ka bhosda chutmarie ka sala abhi agar is k baad kisi ne bhi galat kaha bk k baare me uski maa ki chut madarchod bahot gaali sunega aur aise gali sunega na ki koi bhi sau baar sochega bk se panga lene ka matlab kya hota hai SOCHLENA


deepak 3 years ago

hello all

shivababa ne aj tak jo pyar diya hai use yad kare to kisi aur ki bato me nai a sakte hai...

apni awastha banao... aur kisi galat raste mat chal padna..


anil m 3 years ago

Brahmakumaris are nivritti-marg sanyasis and they are preaching the message of nirakari God shiva which everyone in bhakti-marg knows...by preaching that shiva is bindi point of light in paramdham, they are also teaching that "God is omnipresent"(meaning that God is all around us.)


BIG RENFREW DAVIE 3 years ago

HEY ITS ALL SO SIMPLE ACTIONS = REACTIONS SO JUST COUNT TO TEN AND MAKE RIGHT AND CORRECT DECISION AND SMILE,


BIG RENFREW DAVIE 3 years ago

THINK TRUE AND IT WILL ALL COME TO YOU BIG RENFREW DAVIE IS THE MAIN MAN


Bk Kishor 3 years ago

Om Shanti, Bhai G

Ye bk ke naam se jo gali di jaa rahi hain pls easa naa kare chahe aap bk hain ya nahi bhagwan ko sab pasand hain vah sabko pyar karte hain chahe vah unke viprit hi kyon naa ho.......akhir hain to vah hamare bhai hi apne bhaio ko gali dena kaha ki akalmandi hain mere bhai..........pls stop gali............ bk kishor..... kishore.bkivv@gmail.com


varun 3 years ago

these galis are given by people of patharbudhi v dixit in the name of bk to provoke others and defame bks. A real bk will never use this kind of language because they know there fathers teachings and they r also master reham dil to other agyani souls.


Prabin shrestha 3 years ago

I hav read all the coments . Muje ek prasna man me aya akhir kyo people are against brahmakumaris? Ye aesa sanstha hae jo apne aap ke sath parmatma ka pehachan deta hae. Aur biswa me santi ke sandesh derahahae. Why should we think positively and change ourself and make ownself purity throwing all our evil thought.


Bk 3 years ago

Abe a prabin madarchod bhosdikay nai smaj me ata hain na to mat pooch smja na ainda kuch bhi likha na to bhot gaali sunega aur anil ki maa ka bhosda madarchod


priyanka 3 years ago

plz stop all this abuses ... my dear fellow bks.... leave it to god the almighty... aakhir sach in logo ke samne bohot jald he aa jayega...


our_nation 3 years ago

yahi language sikhaya jata hai brahma kumari me dosto ! dekh lo' kitane gire hue log hai ! Mr BK kishore aap nihayati gire huye insaan hai,ap yahi sikhte hai waha jakar..pata nahi kya sach hai.iss insaan k comment dekh kar isse kitani ghinna ho rahi ki mai kya kahu, kya brahma kumari me yahi sab gali galoj ki siksha di jati... kitane gande log hai.bhagwan ki kadra hi nahi. kya padhte hai ye log.


Bk 3 years ago

COMMENT LIKHNE SE PEHLE YE PAD LENA Our nation tu jo koi bhi hai mere waale se samja na madarchod samja na aind akuch likha na bhot gaali sunega nai samaj me aata hai brahma kumaris ka to mat samjo koi bhi rahe lekin koi comment bk k baare me galat mat likhna smjey last warning hai sab jitne bhi hai sabko


varun 3 years ago

dear level headed brothers, both in the name of user name(Bk) and against him are the product of one same person who is not bkummar. this is just to defame d organization by sponsors of this article. A true bk will always abide by iswaria maryadas of thought, vachan and actions. dhramraj is waiting for all those who jo iswar ki glani karte hai ya apne chritr se parmatma ki glani karwate hi. nothing new.


bk kishor 3 years ago

Om Shanti, Bhai our nation .......kabhi mat sochna ki brahmakumaris me ye sikhaya jata hain..........ye jo bk ke naam se gali de raha hai ........iska brahmakumaris se koi rishta hi nahi hai.............ek brahmakumar sapne me bhi itni gali nahi dega........ye brahmakumaris ko badnam karne ke harkat hai......koi baat nahi ........inka bhi kalyan ho ........bhagwan inko sadbuddhi de...............Om Shanti,


bk. guru 3 years ago

Brahma kumaris is a best spiritual organization but it will be better to be so far from their teachers and should be closer to murali and meditation. Because the teachers are having desire to rule students.


subhash 3 years ago

I want to say only this that shiv baba may please give wisdom to virendera dixit ji so that he (dixit) may stop diverting other human beings (souls) away from their supreme father,"the Shiv Baba"


PREETI KHATTRI 3 years ago

WHOA! WHAT A COOL DISCUSSION. ITS NATURAL FOR VIRENDRA BHAIJI TO QUESTION THINGS OUT FOR BABA HAS HIMSELF SAID JUDGE THE THINGS FIRST AND THEN FOLLOW.

BHAIJI YOU ARE RIGHT IN HAVING DOUBTS BUT RATIONALITY IS ABILITY TO PROVE THINGS WITH A FOUNDATION.

YOU SEEM TO HAVE JUST JOURNEYED INTO BK MURLIS AND SAVED YOURSELF FROM RESEARCH.

KINDLY READ THE HISTORY OF INDIA... WE JUST KNOW THE REMAINS OF INDUS VALLEY CVILIZATION AND HARAPPAN CIVILIZATN EXISTING ABOUT 5000 YEARS BACK.... IMAGINE THE FANTASTIC TOWN PLANNING AND SANITARY INFRASTRUCTURE THIS CIVILIZATION HAD! WHY HAVE WE FALLEN SO DOWN WITH UNHYGIENIC PRACTISES! YOU KNOW IN OUR VEDAS MOST OF THE VERSES ARE THROUGH WOMAN! HOW COME THERE WAS SO RESPECT FOR WOMAN! THE MANNERS AND CULTURE OF INDIANS THAT HAS COMPLETELY DEGRADED TODAY COMPARED TO SOME TIME BACK WHEN INDIA WAS THE GOLDEN BIRD IS IMPECCABLY TRUE.

RAJYOGA...... IS THE PRACTISE OF CONCENTRATING THE MIND.... AND FOR CONCENTRATION IT NEED TO BE STABLE AND MEDICALLY IT HAS BEEN PROVED OUR EMOTIONS ARE EFFECTED BY THE FOOD WE EAT. ANY FOOD WHICH ALTERS OUR MIND TO SLOW RESPONSE CAN HARM OUR ALERTNESS.

CELIBACY AND PURITY OF MIND AND BODY.... PENIS AND VAGINA BEING IN THE BODY IS FINE.....WHY ARE THERE EARLOBES AND APPENDIX IN THE BODY?? ISNT IT SEX AND BODY DISPLAY WHICH HAS BROUGHT SO MUCH INCREASE IN CRIME RATES TODAY??

SEE YOUR CORPSE AND FEEL YOURSELF. ARE YOU THE BODY? IN THIS WORLD OF MIND AND MATTER IT IS EASY TO SEE THE MATTER .. FOR MATTER CAN SEE MATTER BUT YOU NEED MIND TO SEE MIND.... AND MIND TO FEEL THE SUPEREME ENERGY.... IF ALL EMOTIONS AND FEELING OF RELATIONSHIPS ISNT IN THE BODY ... BUT IN THIS ENERGY CALLED SOUL.... DONT YOU THINK THERE IS HIGHER POWER WITH WHOM WE CAN CONNECT ONCE WE TRY GENUINELY.... FOR RATIONALITY ISNT OUTRIGHTLY DENYING SOMTHING... THATS FOOLISHNESS AND FANATISM..... RATIONALITY IS DENYING SOMTHING ON THE EVIDENCE OF HAVING NO FOUNDATION.

YET GO ON..... UNTIL U VE REALISED YOU MUSTNT SUPPORT ANYTHING BUT UNTIL U VE MADE YOUR DUTY YOU MUSTNT ABUSE ANYTHING.


Bk 3 years ago

ritesh teri maa ka bhosda madarchod


AMRUTA 3 years ago

pick the good things n throw the waste.I VE BEEN INTO THIS ASSOCIATION FOR MANY YEARS NOW I M MARRIED AND I DONT VE REGRETS FOR BEING MARRIED.I STILL FOLLOW THE GOOD THING WHICH IS EVEN EVERY RELIGION HAS TAUGHT US BUT YES IT IS BK WHO MAKE YOU PRACTICE IT IN YOUR DAILY ROUTINE LIKE COOK WITH THE LOVE FILLED HEART ,SINCE THE FOOD YOU ARE COOKING IS FOR YOUR LOVED ONCE ...BUT YES I LEFT BK COZ THERE WAS SAME WUY OF TREATMENT WITH THE JUNIOR BKS AS IT IS AS I HEARD IN THE REST OF WORLD..LIKE SENIOR MOST USES DOVE SOAP BUT JUNIOR MOST WILL BE WITH SOME CHEAP HARSH SOAP.....I M A DOCTOR ONCE WHEN I PRESCRIBED A JENTLE SOAP TO A SWEET LITTLE BK SHE TOLD ME THIS THAT THIS SOAP SHE CAN NOT USE ....AND OFCOURSE THIS GAVE ME A SHOCK ....THE WORLD I LEFT FOR THIS ONLY GOD HAS MADE EVERYONE EQUAL. I STILL REMEMBER THOSE TEACHINGS NOT JUST THAT I WAS NOT AWARED OF ALL THE GOOD DEEDS BUT THEY MADE ME PRACTICE FOR IT IN MY DAILY LIFE ...SO I REQUEST EVERY ONE OF YOU WHETHER YOU FOLLOW THEM OR NOT ,DONT SPILL MUD..FEW DROPS WILLBE ON YOUR FINE LINEN ....JUST PRAY GOD WHATEVER THE MOULD YOU LIKE GOD IS OUR SUPREME FATHER .ENJOY THE FACT .


Bk.Bharat 3 years ago

Pyare Atman bhaio, Baat sirf ek hain nayi duniya banani hain, Uparwala kaho ya Khuda kaho hain toh ek hi, Buddhi par zara jor dalo, socho agar faltu baton se aacha agar hamarey mann main positve sochtey, toh kya hota, kisi ka nuksan toh nahi hota na.

Pyaare bhaio, Bhagwan hamara pyara pita dhari par aa chuka hain, Jago kahi tum ladtey raho, aur tumhare hissey ka pyar reh na jayi. Om SHANTI


Manju bhatt 3 years ago

Im nt a bk bt i know abt myself n god through bks...bk bharat aapne bilkul sahi kaha ..hame god ne nai duniya banane bheja hai aur work to chal hi rha hai to hame aise waste disscussion nahi krna hai...aur abusive words use krne wale ko b raham...kitna nadan hai wo jise khud ki pahchan yad dilane par b yad nai aa rha hai...gire hue ko girana nai uthana hai sahara dena hai...god ka anubhav hi hai jo sachha hai aur wo hoga sabko hoga apne apne role anusar pap b to bahut kiye hain na unhe dhulne me b to time lagega....omshanti


bk kishor 3 years ago

You are right Manu Sister,


Quah 3 years ago

In the reality..who said this world getting better n peace?

Killing everywhere..raped,snatch,murder n more..

Where do this come from?

Is comes from human..

Why?

Because of greedy..envy..jelousy..

I have one question to those who comment on bk..

Did bk teach u do bad thing?

Between that did any of religion buddha,Jesus and all religion

teach you to done anything wrong or bad?

If you'll are honour or loyalty to your religion you'll

never do anything wrong n you will think before done anything..

If you never love yourself how could u love other..

Don't alway look at other bad thing..just look on their good..

Nothing is equal even your finger there long n short too..

So if you alway think " What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others".

Will never done wrong..

So all religion are good..

Then did you good enough?

If u are not good is not the religion matter..

Is your own manner..

So do not blame GOD or ANY RELIGION..

just check on yourself..


junior brahma baba 3 years ago

@ritesh... keep it up dude...

@bk...bhosadike tere time pe condom fat gaya tha kya madharchod.


bk 3 years ago

teri maa ki chut teri maa ko maine choda tha tabi tu jaake paida hua tha smja junior madarchod teri maa to randi thi na us k liye condom fat gaya tha sorry yaar teri maa ko bina condom k choda tha


bk 3 years ago

kya hua re lavde junior gaand fat gayi


3 years ago

tu junior lavde jis din muje mila us din tere aur tere pure khaandan ko kaat daluga teri ma ko to randi k khote pe bech daluga samja bhosdikay madarchod chinal k bache


brendonb123 3 years ago

There is an intruder here by the name of BK, Bk Kishore and B....just creating user names and commenting endlessly with bad words. I request the article writer to at least delete them...Whoever is doing this, is not obviously a BK! I do not subscribe though that a BK will never be saying such things...because in reality some do..but anybody in the right senses will not do such actions on a public comments page

As for the article, I know about BK, PBK and the other parties that have cropped up..Over the years, I have learnt that it is foolish to be judgmental about Gyan and Baba, because we have our own perceptions about murli and God. I just want to tell all my brothers and sisters here to listen to everything with an open mind, but not forget why we are in Gyan in the first place...

It is not for rajai, it is not for showing people how much we love God, or to blame others who are not God-loving..

We have come to change ourselves, to leave a lasting legacy of great deeds in this world, to help people to improve their lives as well, and to love God and obey his command. We might not know him wholly, but it is important that when we know that this is God's murli, there are many things that we should be doing to obey God's will. Is it necessary to argue about who is Krishna and who is not? Will that affect you as a person, will it make you valuable to God and the world? No ways!

As for others who are not Brahmakumaris or part of BKs, you are just watching the tip of an iceberg. Don't be judgmental and visit the nearest center to understand the philosophy. There might be BKs who do not know everything about it, but if you are thirsty about the right knowledge, you will understand and get it from the right person.

People who are ex-Bks, I do not blame you for leaving the Brahmakumaris or PBKs or any other org. But your motive for joining the organization is misplaced. People are imperfect everywhere and here we are judging an organization's motives on the basis of few people. There are many great people out there from whom you should learn and this is applicable to the PBKs too.

I have been to the PBKs. I agree with some of the points and I do not agree with them over some. But it is not about what I like and do not. I believe that I have got good insights about what is wrong about hte present scenario in Brahmakumaris...simultaneously, I have found some anomalies within PBKs too. So my take is that let's do what is important for our individual lives and then help others to improve theirs...lets not speak ill about others as that is what is "parachintan" which both the organizations are doing now!

God Bless...Om Shanti!


Karan Tewari 3 years ago

kisi ko bhi ladne ki jarurat nhi...... jo jise manta hai use maane, sab shanti se rahein. time aane pe sab pta chal jaega..... till then be in peace.

OM SHANTI !!


Bk Kishor 3 years ago

you are right karan brother.


subha 3 years ago

hi

i have read in bhagavatham that paramathma is a power which will never comes and take birth. and never comes and go. and it is the power which unites jeeevathma , pranan and agni together in our body.that means evry living beings are in paramatma. then how and why that power enter into a humen body and give gita sara? this is my dought. am not here for an argument. can anybody answer ?


Brendon 3 years ago

It is true that paramatma never takes birth, that is why his descent is termed as incarnation. The details about jeevathma, pranan and agni is ambiguous according to scriptures and facts as agni and pranan cannot merge with one another...agni is an element and part of nature, pranan lies in discontinuity and is actually the same as jeev or live soul (jeevatma). The supreme soul is the soul which is supreme and is the only soul which does not have a body and hence is all-powerful. It needs a human body to manifest its powers in a subtle way...uplift mankind from what it is today...


arun sharma 3 years ago

yaar aap log mere question ke ans kyu nahi dete,mai kis se pucho


Bk Kapil 3 years ago

dekhiye mr Arun shaadi karne se koi apavitra nai ho jata bahot log shaadi ke baad bhi brahma kumaris ke marg par chalte hai bk girls shaadi isi liye nai karna chahti kyuki woh nai chahti unka dil kahi aur lag jaye unka dil 1 sirf shiv baba me hi hai woh kabhi shaadi k baare me nai soch sakti bk me ye nai sikhaya jata ki shaadi shuda logo ko allowed nai hai aur rahi baat kanda lehsun ki aap ko malum kanda aur lehsun khaane se muh me kitni baas aati hai 1 aur baat kanda aur lehsun khane se apka dimag ekdum garam hota hai shayad gussa bhi ata hai aur kabhi kisi k saath jagda ho jata hai muje malum hai ki ye 2 chise dawai ka kaam karti hai lekin woh dawai kis kaam ki jo hume nuksaan pahu chaye hume ek dusre se jagda kar waye acha mil gaya apko aapke 2 sawalo ka jawab koi bhi sawal rahe comment me likh dena OM SHANTI


Sachin 3 years ago

Hey Every BKs and who believe on Shiv Baba whosoever reading this message shall give 2 minutes positive vibrations so that the souls which are feeling panic here can rest in peace and understand the gyan.

Om Shanti


OM PRAKASH 3 years ago

HI OM SHANTI


OM PRAKASH 3 years ago

OM SHANTI....

LAYEGI VISHVA ME

VICHARO KI KRANTI...

MIAKAR SARE

BECHARO KE VICHARON KI BHRATI...

LAYEGI VISHVA ME SHANTI****


RAHUL KATARIA 3 years ago

I WANNA KNOW THAT IF SOMEONE HAVE SEEN GOD & WHERE. I ALSO WANNA SEE HIM..... IF BK IS GOD THEN WHY PEOPLE TRUST IN OTHERS RELEGIONS....


Kapil 3 years ago

BK is not the God it means that we are the students of bk & only God teaches us that how to behave in our daily life


RAHUL KATARIA 3 years ago

WHERE IS THE GOD..... I DIN'T SEE THE GOD.EVEN PEOPLE DIN'T SEEN THE GOD.....

I READ IN THIS SITE THAT BK HAVE KILLED THE GOD. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE.


RAHUL KATARIA 3 years ago

WHERE IS THE GOD..... I DIN'T SEE THE GOD.EVEN PEOPLE DIN'T SEEN THE GOD.....

I READ IN THIS SITE THAT BK HAVE KILLED THE GOD. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE.


true message  3 years ago

hi


True Message 3 years ago

frds, pls read below some of the scriptures details mentioned in Upnishad and Veda about God.

(1) Chandogya Upnishad Chapter 6 Section-2 Verse1

“ Ekam Evadvitiyam” means “ he is one without a second”

(2) Shwetashvatara Upanishad chapter 6 verse 6

“Nacasya Kascij Janita Na Cadhipah” means “ Of him there are Neither parents nor lord”

(3) Shwetashvatara Upanishad chapter 4 verse 19

“Na Tasya Pratima Asti” means “ there is no likeness of him”

- frds here i want to make a point to all those people who says they have seen the god and they see him in the form of light/source of light/similar - above verse clearly deny such false statements of all those people.

if anyone is making image/assuming any image of god in his mind and offering prayers, he/she is doing the biggest mistake. NO human has seen the GOd and there is no likeness of him

(4) Shwetashvatara Upanishad chapter 4 verse 20

“Na Samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam” means “ His form can not be seen. No one sees him with the eye”

frds - again above verse to all those people who say they see God and god talks to them or they say, they are getting revelation/teachings directly from the god himself - all such people then dont know who is true GOD?..even to best of my understaing - prophets (PBUT) got revelation through ANgel Jibril from god - Not directly face to face with God or Directly talking to God for everything/day to day knowledge

(5) Bhagwad Gita – 7:20

“those whose intelligence has been stolen by the materialistic desires worships demigods”

(6) Bhagwad Gita – 10:3

“ He who knows me as the unborn, as the beginning – less , as the supreme of all the worlds..”

(7) Yajurveda Chapter 32 verse3

“Na Tasya Pratima Asti” means “ there is no likeness of him” means there is no image of him

It further says as he is unborn he deserves our worship

(8) Yajurveda Chapter 40 verse8

He is bodiless and pure

(9) Yajurveda Chapter 40 verse9

“Andhatma Pravishanti ye assambhuti mupaste” means “ they enter darkness. Those who worship natural things”

(10) Rigveda Book 8 hymn1 verse 1

“ Ma chidanyadvi shansata” means “ do not worship anybody but him, the divine one , praise him alone”

(11) Rigveda Book 5 hymn81 verse 1

“ Verily great is the glory of the divine creator”

(12) Rigveda Book no. VI, hymn45 verse 16

“ ya Eka Ittamushtuhi” means ”Praise him who is the matchless & alone”

(13) Rigveda Book no. VI, hymn45 verse 16

“ ya Eka Ittamushtuhi” means ”Praise him who is the matchless & alone”

Brahma Sutra of Hindu Vedanta

“ Ekam Brahm, dvitya naste neh na naste kinchan” means ” there is only one God, not the second, not at all, not at all, not in least bit”

And the Final Revelation to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)

Surah Ekhlas: Chapter 112 verse 1-4,

“Say he is Allah, The one and only; Allah, the eternal, absolute; He begets not, nor is he begotten; and there is none like unto him”

frds now i am talking the truth about all the other great religion's Prophets:

Prophet Abraham (PBUH): he never said that he saw God

Prophet Moses (PBUH): asked God that he wants to see him but when God appeared strong thundring,lightenings happend that he faint adn could not see the lord but he spoke to God

Prophet Jejus(PBUH): He also never saw the God

last and final Prophet Muhammad (PBUH): He also never saw the God

many more to say but the conclusion is that if these great choosen people amomng the creation of the God never saw him. then how can some people in bharama kumari or anywahere says that they saw the god or they are talkking to god ..they are absolutely wrong..

and if god wanted to come to earth throgh some one then God would have reaveled in holy scriptures but nowhere it is mentioned. ....like prophets (PBUT) coming were always told ..and when the last messenger of god sayd no one will come after him adn no revelatin of god will come after him then how can some one claim status of bhrama. God speaking and coming inside the human body ...biggest mistake ..

frds if any mistake in above details ..please correct and i pray to God for bringing all to the right path


Brendon 3 years ago

Rahul....you are getting direct to something which is impossible to see, but can only be perceived and experienced. Can you see yourself? No...Can you see God? No...Souls are supposed to be perceived from the inner eye of knowledge...You will come to know about this in great detail if you first try to gain knowledge from the Brahmakumaris...You have come to the board where people are debating what they have not understood...

The ones who have written "Brahmakumaris have killed God" mean to say that they have misrepresented God in different ways. You can have a point of view...but I do not agree to the words of blasphemy being pointed out...


Brendon 3 years ago

@True Message....You are mentioning scriptures and I agree with you to a great extent about the identity of God....But my dear brother, those were written to indicate the existence of God between us...In Bible and other books...it has been said that God will come on earth to judge the living and the dead. Why do you underrate the existence if Brahmakumaris claims it...You seem to get irritated just because they are claiming that people can come to meet God there...Do you have a first hand account of the same?

Did you experience God's love first hand from God himself and not from the deities? (Deities and God are two different entities). Please visit the nearest Brahmakumaris center...The course never decries any religion or dissuades anybody but only shows the path where all religions meet. You can have a point of view about it...All religions have been teaching only one God's teachings in a direct or indirect manner... It is time enough to get done with middlemen and get connected with the Supreme...:)


Brendon 3 years ago

@True message....Please check your own facts before stating that God can be seen or not...God can never be seen nor can all the incorporeal mediums can be seen..You can never see Souls...but you can sometimes sense astral bodies (angels or ghosts). God is the Supreme Soul...do you imagine him to be in flesh, then you are sadly mistaken. Because in all the scriptures that you mentioned and in those which you have not stated...God has always been mentioned to be nirakar or incorporeal...


bathmini 3 years ago

God enlightened Buddha.God came through christianity in the name of Jehovah.God was called Allah in Muslim religion.Now god has come in Hindu religion.In all religions God has used the religious founders as his medium.Similarly in Brahma KUmaris God is coming through Dada Lekhraj whom he named Brahma.As he said in all religious book I shall asend when there is extrme irreligiousness,and unrightiousness.


Sachin 3 years ago

I totally agree with you Brendon and bathmini


RAJ 3 years ago

SHIV BABA IS SUPREM TRUE, OTHER ALL FALSE


True Message  3 years ago

Answer to Brendon:

Dear friend,

Pls find below clarification for your questions on my previous message:

(1) Your point:

In Bible and other books...it has been said that God will come on earth to judge the living and the dead: my reply to you below:

Show me the verse and chapter number from Bible and the Quran which says that God will come on earth to judge the people. My friend you have misunderstood the message in that case.

See the below verse from Quran:

Quran Surah Mulk chapter 67 verse 2:

“He who created death and life, that he may try which of you is best in deeds; and he is the exalted in might, oft-forgiving"

So my friend God has sent us on this earth to do good deeds and he never said that He will come to earth and will enter in someone (Immortal GOD entering in mortal Human being)absolutely wrong. Even Prophets did not claim such things (because its blunder to claim GOD coming inside Humans) who were very close to GOD and were blessed with great talent, capabilities in all respect far beyond any human being on this earth in human history.

Again one more proof to you below verse from the Holy Quran that Good has sent us here for the test and he has sent messengers to every place to guide human being and revealed true holy books like Veda, Bible, Quran ...for the people to refer and follow the true commandments so that on the day of the judgement you enter heaven. those who disagree the scriptures will eneter hell for no doubt.

Quran Surah Al Iman chapter 3 verse 185:

“Every soul shall have a test of death. Only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompenses. Only he who is saved far from the fire and admitted to the garden will have attained the object (of life). For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception"

again confirming to you my friend that GOD sent Prophets (PBUT) to all the places in world and GOD need not to come inside any human. imagine the creature of universe coming inside human. nowhere in Holy scriptures GOD said to the Prophets (PBUT) that he will come on earth inside some human...my friend GOD is all wise and all knowing if he wanted to come to this world through some person he would have definitely told this to Prophets( PBUT)about this as this is very important matter related to GOD. so GOD would have revealed in the HOLY BOOKS..but this fact is not true therefore its not there in HOLY BOOKS. . and you tell me my friend any one sentence which good revealed to Brahma kumari (sorry to take this name but u told me to go there) which was not talked/spoken in any of scriptures before the Dada Lekhraj coming to this world........ except the lies will not found in true Holy scriptures becasue lies can not be in GOD's revealed holy scriptures but it can be in humans sayings and Humans written Books errors.

so you show even one true message from brahma kumari ...

(2) your second question on my previous write up: Because in all the scriptures that you mentioned and in those which you have not stated...God has always been mentioned to be nirakar or incorporeal...

My reply to your point is below:

Please read my previous message properly. It also says God is nirakar.

secondly, let me clarify to you once again that God has said many places in holy scriptures that he sent Prophets(PBUT) to all the worlds time to time to pass (verses reference given above already) the divine message. God is all wise and all knowing and niether he has to become human nor he has to come inside any human...

see GOD confirms that he sent Prophets(PBUT) to all the world and time to time:

Quran Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse47:

" To every people (was sent)A messenger; when thier messenger comes (before them), the matter willl be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged"

this verse not only tells you that messegers (Prophets) were sent to all the world but also tells that on the day of the judgement also you will be judged in front of the prophets if you lie for anyting you did then surely Prophets willl tell the truth what they said to the people and what people followed, Prophets (PBUT) will not lie ..

Prophets (PBUT)were prophecies before their coming to this world in many previous holy scriptures so that people can identify them and also many signs were given about Prophets (PBUT) with many other extra ordinary power/talent (with the permission of God).

So it’s clear that God himself has no need to come to this world inside human beings.

Niether GOD said in any scripture that he will come on this earth inside some human being nor the Dada Lekhraja was Prophesized (predicted) to come to this world as true soul or True human through whom GOD has to come to earth ....this claim of Brahma kumari is absolutely biggest lie.

so i ask two basis questions:

(1) show me even one sentence which GOD revealed to Dada Lekhraj and it was not avalble in this world before dada lekhraj ...dont tell me love, peach, soul,One GOD...all these things, Holy scripture can teach you more than any body (except the Prophets and the choosen leaned (the people who have true knowledge of Holy scriptures) people)

(2) Show me even one vense where any HOly Books (Bible, QUran, Veda..)says that Dada Lekhraj will come to earth and GOD will come through him on this earh ..

request you to write only truth ,,,please mention verse of any book which you refer so that all can check whether you are right or wrong or whether the book which you refer is authentic or not...

Some people are blind and deaf so for those i am quoting finally one-one verse from Veda, Bible and Quran:

Rigveda 10 :71:4:

" There may be someone who sees the words and yet indeed do not see them; may be another one who hears these words but indeed does not hear them"

Bible, Mathew 13:13

" Seeing they see not; and hearing they hear not, niether do they understand"

Holy Quran 2:18

" Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the pacth)"

God may bring all to true path ...

if any true sugggestion, you are most welcome..

NOte: i request every reader to read the verses carefully and verses have been quoted from the Holy books and are true. so more than my explaination, pls see yourself the meaning..and check with holy books to get further confidence if you wish ..no doubt these verses are true ....


True Message 3 years ago

please read the last verse as below:

Holy Quran 2:18

" Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path)"

there was typing error, path was written as pacth by mistake..


arun 3 years ago

Thaks bk kapil saab,ab aap khud hi keh rahe hai ki shaadi karne se koi apawiter nahi ho jata,kya jo log shaadi ke baad bk marg par chalte hai unhe kya baba nahi milte,kya aap ke baba khud kehte hai ki shaadi mat karo,mujhe nahi lagta ki bhagwaan ko in baato sai koi matlab hoga,jo ladki shadi shuda ho kar apne sabhi farz nibhaye aur sacche mann se Bhagwaan ko bhi yaad kare kya wo zyada better nahi hai,aur ab baat karte hai khane ki,janaaab aap koi aur example dete na pyaaz lahsun ki to shayad mai vo baat maan leta,par eh kya baat hui khane se baas aati hai,janaaaab gussa to aur bahut si cheezo se aata,mujhe nahi lagta ki baba ko in sab cheezo se koi matlab hoga,mai to yeh jaanta hu ki sacche dil se uski ibaadat karo to woh zarur milega,dusri taraf aap log kehte hai ki yeh sab darama hai,sab ko apna apna role mila hua hai,according to you agar role mila hua hai to aaap rokte kyu ho,aapke hisaab se to eh sab bhagwaan ki marzi se drama ho raha ha,aap kya bahgwaan se upar ho janab,ans me kapil bhai saab


Brendon 3 years ago

@ True message

I am a Christian by birth....so before quoting the bible...you can refer to some of the prayers said including the "I Believe."

I suppose you are misconstruing wht I said...I said God incarnates and that is proof in Hindu scriptures about it...there is mention in the Bible where the Holy Ghost (Spirit) is said to incarnate in a chosen medium.

Additionally, I suppose you haven't attended the 7 day course and if u have...you have not listened well...we have agreed that the prophets do come as messengers to salvage the world...and they have come at regular time periods. That doesn't mean God wouldn't come...

I ask you a logical question, when the world is steepling in vice, the father is the one who helps the sons to get out of the mess, and shows his own identity...Even Jesus and other messengers were our own brothers...nowhere did they claim they were Gods...they are praised as lords...(including Lord krishna, not God Krishna)...

This is a long argument as it is...When you quote from scriptures be relevant....

Have you not heard the famous quote from Mahabharata...yada yada hi dharmasya glanirbhavati bharat.....

Tell me you havent heard it...then you shud check your facts again...

With divine love and respect,

Brendon


Bk Kapil 3 years ago

Dekho Mr Arun agar aapko bk k baare me nai samaj me aa rha hai to koi baat nai agar aapke baju me koi nazdiki bk center hai to aap please wha jaaiye aapko puri sahayata karne me aajayegi achaa OM SHANTI


BK 3 years ago

Abe arun teri maa ki choot madarchod bhosdikay lavde tere ko agar bk k baare me samj me nai aa rha hai to jhatu gaand marane k liye puchta hai bhosdikay agar tune phir se koi comments paas kiya to teri maa ko baar me bech duga samja lavde k baal chal teri maa ka bhosda bhadve


arun gill 3 years ago

teri maa di fudda bhenchod,teri bund kyu fatdi hai mai jo marzi pucha,teri gaad faad ke sukhne pa duga,madarchod je himmat hai ta apna real name likh,sala kutta BK nu badnaam kari janda hai,


arun gill 3 years ago

very good kapil saab ,maine kitne pyaar se aap ko bahi keh kar question pucha,aur aap ne yeh kaisa ans diya,aap saaf saaf kahe ki aap ko nahi pata,


@ True Message 3 years ago

Dear Brendon,

If you are a true person and believe in finding the truth then you must search always for the authentic details of anything you believe or you do in life, get into the depth of it and then agree to what is most righteous.

Let me 1st tell you my friend, I belong to Hindu family and I had good interest in knowing about multiple GODS from my childhood. i used to gather more and more stories, information from my parents and others as well and used to feel very happy after hearing/watching such good stories but time turned when I started getting in the details of most famous GODS prayed in India. Things which shocked me was many like …having more than 33 Crores of GODs in Indian religion history?. India is very small in front of whole world then why so many gods? Why these GODS never visited other part of the world and why no one prays them outside India? I knew little about Jesus (PBUH) from childhood and had very very very limited knowledge of ISLAM at that time.

I also started reading about Christianity, ISLAM, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism etc. and at every stage lots of new things came up and from couple of years I reached to conclusion……………….

Then further when I started searching the authentic details about GODS…. I was shocked …. And then after understanding the truth about SAI BABA (SHIRDI) and GURU Nanak SAHAB I was further shocked?

Today I don’t believe in cast, place, color, status etc. . . GOD has made all of us and GOD loves every one. …….If there can be a religion then it should be only one religion for every one…the religion of the people who pray only one GOD, people should believe in the prophets (PBUT), The Books, and the commandments and shall submit their wills in front of the same one GOD & acquire peach by doing so - this all above should be the minimum criteria of belief for a religion ……. So if you go by prophets and Books then Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) becomes the last Prophet and Quran the last revealed Holy Book so everyone one should be following that. But our discussion is not on these points so let’s discuss on our topic.

Coming back to our discussion: ………………If I start discussing about the Holy Ghost (sprit), GOD and Jesus (PBUH) , it will be another discussion topic which we can surely discuss if you wish but at this moment let me clarify you about the incarnation and Avtars in Hindu religion.

Let me tell you that Veda’s are considered to be most authentic and oldest in Hindu religion and Rigveda is the oldest among Veda’s. Other Book Including Upnishads, Purana’s, Bhagavad Geeta etc. have come later compare to Veda.

Veda Does not talk about incarnation of GOD in Humans form. It talks about Avtars and In fact it condemn making likeness of GOD, praying demi Gods, Praying natural things, making image of GOD and many more. It clearly gives the message of one true GOD and I have already sent many references of Veda in my previous Message to you.

Yes one more fact is that it talks about Avtars. Let me tell you what does Avtar means in Sanskrit. AV means down , tr means Passover …so Avtar means descend down or to come down. Many scholars state that GOD Avatar indicates Possessive case and actually means that the coming of the man who is in special relationship with GOD. Mention of such special chosen man of GOD appears in all Veda. Other Holy Books in the world like Bible, Quran call such chosen people as Prophets (PBUT).

So my friend, I have given you references of many verses of Veda’s which matches with other books of the World in terms of GOD and many other sayings in last message to you. In fact if you look in the description GOD, basic rules & regulations for Humans beings, resurrection, description of heaven and Hell in all these Holy books, it has many great similarities.

The reason is very simple that GOD is one and he does not lie so his true message revealed to Prophets (PBUT) will same, errors can be only by humans not by GOD.

So GOD send Prophets time to time and send to every region of the world to pass the true message then ……. did any prophet said that GOD will come inside any human body?...did GOD said to any Prophet that he will come on earth inside some human being and that person name will be Dada Lekhraj?... Did God said that the Dada Lekhraj is the same person who was ADAM and I will change his name to Brahma?.....is it logical for parmatma to come inside Atma? Is there anything written in Bible and Quran that GOD will come on earth inside some human being?... answer for all these above questions is absolutely NO NO NO NO NO NO…there is nothing written about Dada Lekhraj coming and GOD coming inside him in any of the authentic scriptures

My friend as you are aware of Jesus (PBUH) so I will take his example and I ask you one logical question:

You know that like other prophets (PBUT), Jesus (PBUH) was also very close to GOD and GOD has sent him for very specific task and Jesus (PBUH) said following things (He said many things, I am mentioning only few here):

(1) I will pray the farther, he shall give you another comforter (Periqlytos), that he may abide with you forever.’ (John XIV, 16)

(2) I will come back – so today many learned Christians knows that Jesus (PBUH) will come back on this earth before the Kayamat (before the day of the judgment)

Now lets understand if GOD wanted to come to this earth before the day of the judgment then why GOD said in Bible and Quran that Jesus (PBUH) will come back and GOD never said to Jesus (PBUH) that he will come on earth inside any human being.

Quran also confirms that Jesus (PBUH) will establish peace and Jesus (PBUH) will rule for many years and shall follow the message of last Prophet i.e Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

Please see some of the verses of Quran regarding the same:

When Allah said: "Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me, and purify you of those who do not believe. And I will place the people who follow you above those who do not believe until the Day of Resurrection. Then you will all return to Me, and I will judge between you regarding the things about which you differed." (Surah Al 'Imran:55)

There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before his (Jesus) death; and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them. (Surat an-Nisa':159)

He [Jesus] is a Sign of the Hour. Have no doubt about it, but follow Me. This is a straight path. (Surat az-Zukhruf:61)

Jesus (PBUH) is yet to come to this earth and Brahma kumari has made new story of GOD coming to inside some human being ….Brahma kumari story is base less and has no meaning ….last Prophet (Prophet Muhammad – PBUH) has already come thousands of years before and GOD has again revealed in the Quran to prophet Muhammad that Jesus (PBUH) will come, he will establish peace, he shall give great tidings to the message of last Prophet i.e Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH) will rule for many years and he shall die on this earth and shall return to Heaven and after that only the kyamat will come.

Now can Brahma Kumari says that GOD has sent Dada Lekhraj for establishing peace and he is brahma and God came inside him?..... is there any other GOD than the GOD who sent prophets and revealed Holy books ?..........answer to these questions is NO NO NO NO ……………………..hope you have understood my friend now.

Now coming to your another point where you have quoted Bhagavad Geeta Chapter 4 verse 7-8.

My friend I have explained you so much about the prophets (PBUT) coming across the world, time to time whenever GOD wished prophets (PBUT) came as per the prophecies given before itself and as per GOD’s wish. This bhagavad Geeta verse is also one kind of sign given thousands of years before and after that many prophets across the world have come. Also the last prophet at the beginning of the kalyuga itself has come and the name is Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and as per Quran he is the last prophet and many other holy books support his coming and he was prophesized and he was given a holy book like other prophets.

And if you want to unnecessarily apply this verse to Dada Lek


Brendon 3 years ago

Misrepresentation of facts boss...but I wouldn't care to argue...it is perception....

Jesus incarnating on earth is a belief held by Christians which is incorrect as Bible never stated that. Additionally, you always defer from your own points in this long winding essay of yours...u are just driving one single point: Prophets incarnate, God doesn't...But you fail to identify the identity of God then. Can you still point out his identity here?

When you say Brahmakumaris are baseless...well then you have rather not understood the scientific, social, religious and spiritual contexts of each and every fact established here. The problem when you talk about broad mindedness, you are giving your own interpretation to what knowledge you have about scriptures.

When I told you about my Christian background, my point was to drive home the feeling of universality in thought. You are judging God and his acts by different contexts...I respect the knowledge that you have, but I suppose you have failed to notice that the scriptures themselves have contradicted each other more than once..

The father is the one who can reveal his own identity to his children....If the children are trying to assess their own father...it is mostly like blind men assessing an elephant...

I wouldn't argue further...I don't wish to show that I am all-knowing or something or know the absolute truth...But I request a broad vision while trying to understand God!

With divine wishes,

Brendon


Brendon 3 years ago

Misrepresentation of facts boss...but I wouldn't care to argue...it is perception....

Jesus incarnating on earth is a belief held by Christians which is incorrect as Bible never stated that. Additionally, you always defer from your own points in this long winding essay of yours...u are just driving one single point: Prophets incarnate, God doesn't...But you fail to identify the identity of God then. Can you still point out his identity here?

When you say Brahmakumaris are baseless...well then you have rather not understood the scientific, social, religious and spiritual contexts of each and every fact established here. The problem when you talk about broad mindedness, you are giving your own interpretation to what knowledge you have about scriptures.

When I told you about my Christian background, my point was to drive home the feeling of universality in thought. You are judging God and his acts by different contexts...I respect the knowledge that you have, but I suppose you have failed to notice that the scriptures themselves have contradicted each other more than once..

The father is the one who can reveal his own identity to his children....If the children are trying to assess their own father...it is mostly like blind men assessing an elephant...

I wouldn't argue further...I don't wish to show that I am all-knowing or something or know the absolute truth...But I request a broad vision while trying to understand God!

With divine wishes,

Brendon


@True Message 3 years ago

Dear Brendon,

1st of all you did not answer any of my questions raised in my prevous messages. i know you dont have any fact and authentic reply therefore you have not replied. No problem, i can understand as there is no revelation to Dada Lekhraj so how can you reply to my questions.

coming to your points raised in last message:

i have not misrepresented the facts. if you have not understood that does not make my points or the scriptures wrong.

it hurts me that you have misunderstood even the message written about the Jesus (PBUH and without any fact you have just pointed out that he will never come to earth (please dont use incarnation word as this is not suitable word). he shall come as he had been raised by the GOD.

i had given you enough reference from Holy Quran but you are not able to understand so please see below reference from the Bible concerning the coming of the Prophet Jesus (PBUH). These portents before the return of Jesus are described in the Bible in the following terms:

Now I tell you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I am He. (John, 13:19)

Now as He [Jesus] sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, "I am the Christ," and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.(Matthew, 24: 3-14)

Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Matthew, 24: 30)

Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven." (Acts, 1: 9-11)

Therefore if they say to you, "Look, He is in the desert!” do not go out; or "Look, He is in the inner rooms!” do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Matthew, 24: 26-27)

Jesus said to him, "It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven." (Matthew, 26: 64)

Brendon still if you dont believe in Bible and Quran then i dont want to tell you anyting but say again the same thing which i said to everyone in my earlier write-ups .............

Rigveda 10 :71:4:

" There may be someone who sees the words and yet indeed do not see them; may be another one who hears these words but indeed does not hear them"

Bible, Mathew 13:13

" Seeing they see not; and hearing they hear not, niether do they understand"

Holy Quran 2:18

" Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path)"

futher to your other points: if you have not understood the message then i cant tell anything more .....as far as the books are concern ..there can be errors in human writting not in revelations ......so there may be mistakes by human (errors) but that does not make all the scriptures wrong and you (or Brahma Kumari) without any scripture revelation does not make right.....

as far as the GOD is concern you and me are talking about the same one god who is nirakar and i have given enough explaination on this in my 1st message itself and i can given lots of explation about it but wow much say about the GOD its impossible for me to verbalise in word , he deserves all highness and praise, prayers.......infact it just reminds me of one verse from Quran which says ...

" And if the trees on earth were the pens and the oceans (were ink), with seven oceans behind it to add to its (supply), yet would not the words of Allah be exchausted (in the writing): for Allah is exalted in power, full wisdom."

Brendon our difference of opinion is on claims of Brahma kumari not on the description of GOD...

following claims:

(1) Claims on God coming inside humans?.....there is no supporting scripture revelation from GOD with Brahma kumari but they still claim without any fact......

(2) claim of heaven/Hell on earth?....Bible, Quran, Veda give such great description of Heaven and hell at many places in many verses that even if you tell to blind person he willl understand this description. and the description given refers to some other place which is not on earth .....

(3) God coming inside Dada Lekhraja?....there is No releveled Holy book given to Dada Lekhraj.....just claiming somthing and creating confusion in people's mind ..my friend read Bible and Quran it clearly says that many such people will come in future who will claim lots of things but they will not be right ......true claims can be always supported by scriptures available which talks from the creation of universe to the Kayamat....

(4) Dada Lekhraj talking about the cycle of re-birth?....absulutely wrong because this is concept avalble in later stages books of hindu religion.....No prophet of the book spoke about it and prophets (PBUT) spoke only of resurrection ....infact veda support to resurrectin..for no doubt Quran and Bible support re-surrection not re-birth cycle as explained and understood by Brahma Kumari's...

(5) Brahma Kumari taling about the tree where they show Brahma as Dada Lekhraj and shows prophets and many other saints/Peer/Great souls etc.?....there are many many mistakes in that tree including the religions founder mentioned there ....including the time mentioend there ...including the people representation mentioned there ...and how many to write here ....many more.....

(6)Dada Lekhraj Talking about the religion formed by the Prophets? big mistakes by Brahma kumari in explaining and representing this .....did you know christianity was not founded by Prophet Jesus (PBUH) as he was not to found any new religion or kingdon when he had come on this earth, its confirmed by him in Bible and i can show you verse?...Did you know Prophet Abraham (PBUH) was not the founder of Islam.?..in the Quran Allah says that i am not talking about any new religion, i am talking about the same religion which was there from the Adam (PBUH) and was follwed by Abraham (PBUH) and now i am confirming the same religion to Mankind through Prophet Muhmmmad and Quran confirms that religion name as Islam and followers of Islam as muslim ...ISLAM means submitting your wills in front of the Almighty GOd and aquiring peace by doing so ...Guru Nanak Saheb was not the founder of Sikism please read , dont go what people know or what people says ...Sikism name was given much much later after his death ...Do you know Gautam Budha never said that Buddim is religion ....there are many things to say my friend ...

(7) dada Lekhraja talking about the life cycle of 500years?.....my friend you may be knowing or may not be knowing there are blunder mistakes in all these above expliation and claims.....

please dont tell me i have not understood the message of Brahma kumari , i have un


@ True message 3 years ago

balance portion.......

Please don’t tell me i have not understood the message of Brahma kumari , i have understood well whatever is good. whatever is wrong for that i cant agree neither anyone should agree..........

i have discussed only few things here there are many more which are related to the method of praying.. ..and related to beginning of Brahma Kumari .....What’s the truth of beginning of Brahma Kumari ....many more…….

i only request you to get into the details of every subject and choose the right path my friend ...................

i was searching for some details and i came to know this site….may be GOD wanted me to tell you the truth so please read, understand and follow the truth .

GOD may bless you and bring everyone to right path ....

with regards


@ True message 3 years ago

balance portion.......

Please don’t tell me i have not understood the message of Brahma kumari , i have understood well whatever is good. whatever is wrong for that i cant agree neither anyone should agree..........

i have discussed only few things here there are many more which are related to the method of praying.. ..and related to beginning of Brahma Kumari .....What’s the truth of beginning of Brahma Kumari ....many more…….

i only request you to get into the details of every subject and choose the right path my friend ...................

i was searching for some details and i came to know this site….may be GOD wanted me to tell you the truth so please read, understand and follow the truth .

GOD may bless you and bring everyone to right path ....

with regards


Brendon 3 years ago

I have not said that I presume you have not understood the message. But by your posts, it is clear that you have misunderstood something...Your sentence "Anyone should not follow" is very absolute meaning that you thought it should not be followed by you but you are also implying that you have arrived at absolute truth and do not wish others to follow

Here is where we need to keep a balance...opinions and rigidity. I have tried to explore different things other than brahmakumaris and have not been rigid with my beliefs...I have even ventured to the path which is shared by the person who has written this post...I know the beginning and the dark history behind the BKs and all. But the thing is, when we start judging different things by our own intellect, we seldom forget that we were here to understand some things but most importantly, to reform ourselves..I give importance to goodness and strive to understand it and do it rather than pointing fingers at others who have committed grave sins. It doesn't matter because as it is said in Gita...and also in the Bible..."The most darkness lies below the flame of the candle." Nice commenting here...Thank you for your valuable inputs....


@ True Message 3 years ago

Dear Brendon,

I have not misunderstood anything and if you have not understood my sentences or the message then there is no fault of mine or the Holy books which I have referred……….

In fact it seems, you are trying to confuse others by saying that no one should refer the sentences referred by me. I ask you why?........ is it because it talks about the truth which you did not know? …or is it because it talks about the true facts about Brahma kumari’s basic teachings and its fundamental tree ?..or is it because you have closed your eyes and heart and don’t want to accept any truth even from the Holy Books (Bible, Quran, Veda) which are considered to be the word of GOD?......or is it because you did not understood/learn anything from the Holy scriptures and you could learn few good and few false stories from Brahma Kumari’s ?.......my friend whatever it is …..now at least I have given you enough evidence of HOLY BOOKS and Prophets (PBUT) about many facts related to GOD, related to Prophets (PBUT) and many more ..

Also clearly I had shown you the verses mentioning from Bible and Quran that Jesus (PBUH) is coming to earth and he shall establish peace once again and he shall follow the clear message of last Prophet (Prophet Muhammad - PBUH) of GOD to mankind and Jesus (PBUH) shall follow the last revealed book (Quran) which matches to most authentic scriptures of world…..but even after quoting you many verses regarding every question you ask me, you have not understood or you are pretending as you have not understood …. …

Jesus (PBUH) said that he will return (proof from Holy Bible & Holy Quran already given to you) and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said that Jesus (PBUH) will return, it’s clearly described in great details in the Holy Quran (the last revealed Holy book to Mankind) ….still you don’t agree and say that some one else have come on earth as the terror, violence, etc. etc. have increased so GOD has to come …..if it was so my friend then I ask you a logical question here ………………………you know GOD is most wise and GOD never lie, if he wanted to come after the last Prophet of mankind (Prophet Muhammad) then it would have been mentioned in the Quran as Quran describes this world from the creation to the day of the judgment and more …………….then why dada lekhraj is missing in the Quran & why he has not been mentioned ?... further God have confirmed the return of Jesus (PBUH) in the Quran and Bible both but both the Holy books does not even talk a bit of Dada lekhraj or GOD coming inside any of such person ……

But yes Quran and Bible both talks well about the facts that many people will come (after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and before Jesus (PBUH) ) and will claim many false things ….but they will be absolutely false…………

And if any one wants to realty teach something good to people then he/she should teach it without claiming such false statements about himself/herself which Dada Lekhraj or brahma kumari have claimed without any authentic details form any of the great holy books………

i have already given a reference verse from Bible on this ….still giving some more….

"At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. . . . For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect – if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time" (Matthew ;24 NIV).

"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping" (2 Peter NIV).

And Quran also says about such false people/prophet coming in future……if you wish, I can give you some related verse on this, you know I can give you because truth is always available in Holy books ……..

Anyways lets now come back to the previous message sent by me, I had asked many questions to you but You don’t have the true answer for any of my questions. Yes, you have been only writing good polished and diplomatic English to me. ..No problem, still I respect you and the every individual because finally, we all are the creation of the same GOD and he is most merciful and most beneficent………………

I ask you only one small question:

……Bring me even one (true) sentence which Dada Lekhraj or Brahma Kumari has taught you and that sentence was not available in any of the Holy book before Dada Lekhraj or was never revealed or spoken by any of the Prophets (PBUT) in the world before?......pls don’t bring any half truth, bring the authentic details with proper proof.

My friend coming to your question ……..balance between rigid and opinion….. Brendon if you discuss on some subject which you/I don’t know or which you/I have very less knowledge or on which you/ I don’t have any knowledge at all …probably on such subjects one should not be rigid and opinion can change or can be point of discussion but here we are not discussing on any subject where my words or your words counts, we are discussing on the subject where more than anyone’s words, words of the Holy books (word of GOD) counts and that’s what I have been mentioning you and asking you to refer…………..Lastly once again I am telling you what I told you in my previous messages also …I am not here to talk something bad about any organization or any individual but to tell you the truth in the light of the Holy Scriptures … I took the name of brahma kumari as you told me to go there….. I asked you few questions regarding Brahma kumari so that you may know the truth or if you feel I am wrong then you may bring the truth with authentic details in front of me ……..

you may know that the best thing to refer in the world about this subject matter is always the holy books and the Prophets’s (PBUT) teachings….

Please don’t bow in front of any image or any human image, please see below verse from Bible … this verse warn you to do that and also please see the below verses how the prophet prayed…even now also if you feel you have chosen something better than the prophets (PBUT) for paying the GOD ….then I have nothing to tell you but only showing you something below …..

Lets see what was the method of praying chosen by great Prophets and also see something more…..…

“Thou shat have no other Gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in the heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them; nor see them; for I the Lord they GOD am a jealous God…” [The Bible , Exodus 20:3-5]

"O you who belive! When you rise up to prayer, wash your faces and your hands as far as the elbows, and wipe your heads, and wash your feet to the ankles."-(HOLY QURAN 5:7)

"And Moses and Aaron and his sons washed their hands and their feet thereat; when they went into tent of the conregation they washed as the Lord commanded Moses."-(EXODUS 40:31-32).

"Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple..."-(ACTS 21:26)

"So turn thy face toward the Sacred Mosque, and (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces toward it."- (HOLY QURAN 2:144).

"Now when Daniel...went into his house; and his window being open in his chamber towards Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and thanks before his God, as he did aforetime."-(DANIEL 6:10).

"O you who believe! Bow down and prostrate yourselves and serve your Lord, and do good that you may prosper."-(HOLY QURAN 22:77).

"And he (Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his face,


Brendon 3 years ago

Oh, I can now see your whole point...All the versions of the Bible have been read and understood by me...but this is proving to be a hopeless exercise for me..

The problem here is...you are bent upon proving that the Brahmakumaris is false and what not...And I am making it absolutely clear here that I have mentioned in most of the comments here that I have taken into account all that is good...You know Brahmakumaris is an organization...go to the right person who has total knowledge about it and he might be able to tell you what is being meant

You talk in absolute terms as though you are the only chosen one who knows what is true and what is false...Please shed your ego and try to be open to things ...its the same wht you are advising me. I never said that I am not open to things...By quoting things which I have read from childhood, and reiterating some things which one religion proposes but the other religion disposes...you are self-contradicting yourself...Bible never says that we take up another body once we die while Gita says that we take up another body...punarjanam..

Shankaracharya says ...everything is mithya...and everything resulting from mithya is false...which means our actions do not have any tangible effects...

The base which you have been taking for your own arguments is baseless...different scriptures say different things ...contradicting one another in the process...are you the one who is going to say what is true and what is false?

Let people decide it...what is important is how we related to God, perform our duties and our karma in life...

Quran has certain texts embracing polygamy while the Bible or the Gita inspires us to be monogamous...Argue with yourself as to which texts present the perfect picture...Rigveda mentioned that one should never pee in front of the peepal and there are those in the Shinto religion who never worship idols but a stone called Chin-kon-seki...Guess what's true?

My dear brother, I am not a knower of absolute truth nor do I claim that I know...but I do not appreciate anyone else claiming likewise...Many things in scriptures is metaphorical...and not to be taken literally...but it is best left to individual perception...


Bk 3 years ago

Abe a lavde teri maa ko randi ke khote pe mene dekha tha samja teri biwi ko to mene choda tha samja lavde agar tere bache hai toh unko me randi ke khote pe bech k aaoga samja tere poore khandan ko kaat daluga samja bhosdiwaly madarchod randi ki aulad chinal k bache lavde k baal HUT TERI MAA KA BHOSDA naam yaad rakhna Mera MAAFIYA.............. SAMJA


Bk 3 years ago

Are sorry tere jaise randi k bache ka naam hi likhna bhul gaya ARUN MADARCHOD


arun gill 3 years ago

bhenchod kutte teri maa ka bhosda,bhenchod sudhar ja,nahi teri gaand fad ke sukne paadu,bhenchod kutte,sala randi di fandi aulaaad,kudichod sala


Bk 3 years ago

abe a arun lavde ke baal teri maa ko choda tha mene me kabhi nai sudhruga sanja lavde ke baal


Bk 3 years ago

abe a arun randi ki aulad chinal ke bache bhosdikay tu yaha se vatle nai toh teri gaand me aise bammboo daluga na sundas karne k time mere ko yaad karega bhosdikay tu mere lavde se tere jaise bhot se logo ko lund pe rakhta hoo abe tu to kya tere poore khandaan ko lund pe rakhta hoo me jaa jo ukhad sakta hai ukhad le mere lavde se


Rahul 3 years ago

ye brahmakumaari wale kaminey hai...ye bachho ko AATANKWAADI banate hai jo gharwalo ko kuch nhi samajhte or gharwalo k hi khilaf ho jate hai...bludy basterd brhmakumaris..gadhe ki bachha LEKHRAJ...suar k pille...bhan k lode...gande...neech...ye white saari pehankar sex krti firti h logo se...barbaad kr diya in kuttiyo ne humaare desh ko khokhla kr rhi h...narak me gya wo lekhraj bhan ka loda or baaki bache hue b jo isme h wo b sadenge narak me...ye bhosdi k humaare bhagwan ko gaali dete hai...inki poll pattiya nhi khol di to mera naam deepak nhi...gandi h bhn ki lodi...chakkar chalati hai saari ki saari...chudaaai krwati h donation le le kar...


Rahul 3 years ago

ye brahmakumaari wale kaminey hai...ye bachho ko AATANKWAADI banate hai jo gharwalo ko kuch nhi samajhte or gharwalo k hi khilaf ho jate hai...bludy basterd brhmakumaris..gadhe ki bachha LEKHRAJ...suar k pille...bhan k lode...gande...neech...ye white saari pehankar sex krti firti h logo se...barbaad kr diya in kuttiyo ne humaare desh ko khokhla kr rhi h...narak me gya wo lekhraj bhan ka loda or baaki bache hue b jo isme h wo b sadenge narak me...ye bhosdi k humaare bhagwan ko gaali dete hai...inki poll pattiya nhi khol di to mera naam deepak nhi...gandi h bhn ki lodi...chakkar chalati hai saari ki saari...chudaaai krwati h donation le le kar...


Maas 3 years ago

abe a rahul teri maa ko mene randi ke khote par choda tha na tabi tu jaake paida hua tha abhi agar me cha hu na teri maa ka sex karte hue video nikaluga aur internet ki site par dal duga samja na tera baap toh 1 number ka randwa neech hai teri maatoh randi chinal ki bachi saali sabse chudayi hui aurat hai aur tu woh ladka hai jab sab mard ne teri maa ko choda tha na tab tu jaake paida hua tha samja lavde ke baal madarchod randi ki aulad bhosdikay me randi ke bacho ke muh nai lagta samja aukaad me re apni aur agar tera naam deepak hai toh bhi tere par yehi gaali suite karegi


@ True Message 3 years ago

Dear Brendon,

some part of my earlier message could not reach to you .....so pls see it below:

"And he (Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed..."-(MATTHEW 26:39).

"And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship..."-(JOSHUA 5:14).

"And he (Elijah) cast himself down upon the earth, and put his face between his knees."-(1 KINGS 18:42).

"And they (Moses and Aaron) fell upon their faces..."-(NUMBERS 20:6).

"And Abraham fell on his face..."-(GENESIS 17:3).

"Our Lord! Give us good in this world and good in the Hereafter, and defend us from the torment of the Fire."-(HOLY QURAN 2:201)

"...when Solomon had made an end of praying all this prayer and supplication unto the Lord, he arose from before the altar of the Lord, from kneeling on his knees with his hands spread up to heaven."-(1 KINGS 8:54).

And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that Thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that Thou hast sent me.-(JOHN 11:41-42).

"When the call is sounded for prayer on Fridays, hasten to the remembrance of God...but when the prayer is ended, disperse abroad in the land and seek of God´s grace and remember God, that you may be successful."-(HOLY QURAN 62:9-10).

My friend hope by this time you would have understood what I am trying to tell you …………pls don’t bow in front of any image that image may be kept for anything , it’s a shame to all who bow in front of such human images and say that we were concentrating or may say that we are bowing in front of this image before we bow to god …….don’t make any image in your mind thinking that’s the god …dont do that sin...

pls don’t tell to anyone that you have searched a better way of praying than the Prophets (PBUT) ……… ….and anyway you and me are not such great people but at least we should be agreeing to the most authentic details (Holy Scriptures) and try to bring happiness in our life and hereafter ……...we should not be agreeing to the baseless details claimed by anybody ……………….

GOD may bless you and every one …and bring everyone to right path

regards'


@ true message 3 years ago

Dear Brendon,

1st of all, pls be clear about one fact that i am not here to target any organization or any individual ...Brahma kumari name came by chance during the course of discussion and therefore i asked you some questions which you could never reply as you don’t have the right answer about it and reason is very simple which you also know……..

still you are trying to take the side of that organization because you have learn few good things there ...but there are many false things which they have been telling to people and i have told/warn you against that .....

i am not considering myself as only the learned person or great, i fully agree to all the true facts brought by anybody ...but i can not agree for some false statements/facts told by anybody …..and I support my talk always with some verses ….i am never talking something which is not written …

You had said earlier that ....... Bible does not say that Jesus (PBUH) will return..but i had shown you the truth from Bible and Quran both ...

Now again You are saying that you have read Bible completely. If you say so ………….then Oh my friend....why are you not aware about the polygamy in bible which is mentioned in many places?.....because you have heard some one telling that Bible and Quran contradict on this …pls read pls read and read that’s what I can say ….and still if you are not able to find out the truth about polygamy I will send you good write up (with verse numbers) on that …..

my dear you are suppose to read Quran (the last and final revelation from GOD to mankind) then why you did not know that there is no God but only one almighty?...why did you not know that Prophet Muhammad is the last Prophet send to the mankind?.... why you had to refer some un-authentic sources to know what GOD is ? and what does the books says ?...... you should read your self and then believe…..

if you Believe Bible and Quran are word of GOD then oh my dear why did you believe that God has given revelation to some one without talking anything about that man in any of the holy books?. you should be knowing that all the Prophet or masia was prophesied and signs were given before their coming to this world then why there was not even a single sign about GOD coming inside some one in any of these great Holy books?....

why GOD said that Jesus (PBUH) will return and he shall establish peace and shall follow the last Prophet’s (PBUH) message ?....GOD is all knowing that’s why what condition/situation of world you see today, it was foretold in the Holy books ..pls read Quran & Bible properly and see the sings …..

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was universal Prophet (for the mankind), he was sent for the mankind not for one place or to one group of people) ….then if anybody was suppose to come after him in the world, he would have told something about GOD coming inside someone in future?.......GOD would have revealed to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as GOD has revealed all such great incidents …..

why i am writing these things again to you is because from your current message you still wants to stick to what you know or what you have heard of ....like now again you have done one more blunder by saying that Bible does not talk about Polygamy ……………pls read Bible my friend pls read and if you don’t find verses on polygamy then I will show you from the same book ……………..

At last pls don’t tell me that Bible and Bhagavat Gita Contradicts on Punarjanam …..you should also know that world’s last revelation from GOD, holy Quran also contradicts it and agrees with Bible …….you should also know that Veda’s some verses talks somewhat to what is called resurrection in Bible and Quran ….

f there have been mistake in writing the message in one book, then you should check it with other most authentic books and say what’s the truth and for no doubt you will not lie in these Holy books and to the great Prophets who never spoke of again and again life on earth ….They spoke of resurrection ……..

Hope above clarify your doubts….. GOD may bless you and bring everyone to right path ….

Regards,


@True Message 3 years ago

pls read as below:

If there have been mistake in writing the message in one book, then you should check it with other most authentic books and say what’s the truth and for no doubt, GOD will not lie in these Holy books and to the great Prophets who never spoke of recycle of life on earth ….They spoke of resurrection ……..hope you understand ..

Hope above clarify your doubts….. GOD may bless you and bring everyone to right path ….

Regards,


@ True Message  3 years ago

TO Brendon

please let me know which verse of Holy Bhagvad Gita tells you to marry only one women or Man? and also pls tell me which verse contradicts with polygamy?.....please bring the answer ....

God may bring you and to everyone to right direction..


Brendon 3 years ago

I suppose you are equating bachelorhood as something pathetic to do. Why? Most ascetics and priests have abstained from marriage to maintain purity and relationship with God...What's wrong? It requires great courage and love for God to do something of this nature...to dedicate self for the greater good.

Did I say that we do something good because the scriptures say they are good???? Did God write them? Does Gita tell you whether drinking wine is bad? No...then why do you not offer onion garlic food and wine to deities?

When you always take scriptures as the base for all your arguments...it is virtually impossible to argue with you or anybody...Maybe you should see that the Vedas and the Shastras contradict themselves many times in different topics...Bible does not believe in afterlife...it believes in salvation...Gita preaches afterlife...

@True Message...keep arguing to get to the truth...not to belittle others with your knowledge...Wisdom is much more essential here...No offence meant though...

God Bless...


Nieves 3 years ago

I ussualy go to my nearer center in Barcelona, every sunday and I take benefit to go there.It is no so important for me the words and the theoric teachings. The more important for me is my experience, that take value for me, and my inner sense in all that I do with my life. I am very gratefull by all they ofering and i have satisfaction by all i am able to take of it. Thank you to all. Thank you. I learn of all is happening in the life. Every experience in the life has a lesson for me, in everywhere. May you be Happy and well my friend¡¡ May you be honest with you and very cleaver to discern all the veils that are between you and me, me and others...to love.... and to follow.....


Bk Kishor  3 years ago

Om Shanti, Rahul Bhai,G

Dekhiye aap mere bade bhai hai,,,,isliye main apse yahi kahna chahta hoon,,,,,,,,pls duniya me sab achhe h agar ganda h to sirf hamara dekhne ka nazriya,,,,,,,,,,koi insaan bura nhi h..........aap bhi bahut achhe ho........par bhul gaye ho ki aap kaun ho.........bhai jin devio ki pooja bharat me bahut hoti h ,,,or jis ma apko janam diya h...........unhe ko aap gali de rahe ho.........jinhne apna pura jiwan pavitrata me jiya h ,,,,,,,,,aap unhe gali de rah ho........bhai ye saza to to bhagwan bhi maaf nahi karega.........or ye sab unhone uss bhagwan ke hi kahne par kiya h.....aap unko gali de rahe ho....?.......Bhai agar aap insaan ho to pls ,,,,,,,,,,,ye shabad apke nahi hone chaiye,,,,,,akir aap bhi to bhagwan ke bachhe ho na.......inko brahmakamris ko kuch nahi chahiye ,,,,,,,,,,,ye sirf world ki sewa kar rahi h ,,,,,,kyonki ye order unhe shiv pita ne diya ,,,,,,,,,,,or aap unko gali de rahe ho........agar aap navratrao me devio ko mante ho ...........to inko gali mat dena......kyonki yahi vah kumariya h j apne tab se bharat ko swarg bana rahi h.........pls aap pahle unhe samjhe ,,,,,,bhai,,,,,,,,apka bhai kishor


Ptince 3 years ago

As a third person I feel that

1) The persons whoever teaching good should be encouraged.

2) Mere Logic and reasoning will not give food and shelter. It is only for ego satisfaction.

3) If any activity brings inner comfort and happiness it should be treated as good.

4) We should not bother when Dada lekhraj was born, it is immaterial but what he has done is more important. Having seen Brahma Kumaris and their life style I suggest they belong to category of practice and preach and is having certain standard of discipline.

5) The author is interested to win the arguments but Brahma Kaumaris and Kumars have won the heart of many which is most important

Sometimes logic and reasoning is like Chakravyuh in Mahabharata where Abhimanyu died only Arjun has the capacity to survive because krishna(God) was with him

God may be any form but he will always support good cause

Bye


Mass 3 years ago

are janne do kishor bhai jis din muje ye rahul mere ko mil gaya usko mein kaat daluga uski laash tak nasib nai hogi kisi ko yaha tak ki uski maa bhi nai pehchaan payegi usko tu rahul tension mat le me toh tereko dhoond nikaluga kahi na kahi aur jis din tu muje mila na us din teri zindagi ka aakhri din hoga


BK Kishor 3 years ago

Om Shanti, Mass Bhai

Ye rahul bhai bhi apna hi bhai,,,,,,,,,,,bechara bhul gya h ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,apni family ko........apni bhano ko or shiv pita ko.......isliye hi to baba ko aana padta h yaad dilane ,,,,,,,,,,,,,rahul aap jaha bhi jaldi se jaldi shiv pita se apna pura varsha lo 21 janmo ka ,,,,,jyada samay nahi h

ab

mere bhai.......BK KISHOR


@True Message  3 years ago

Dear Brendon,

hope you are doing well..

i was on official tour therefore i could not really get time to respond to your previous reply. i will soon give you absolutely a true reply as i usually give to you and to all ...because my replies are based on scriptures and based on prophets sayings.

GOD may bring you all to right path ...

regards'


@ True Message 3 years ago

Dear Brendon,

It’s good that you have accepted lots of things from my previous messages as you don’t have any questions on my replies. No doubts, you should be agreeing as finally you are a good educated person & can understand well when the truth is brought in front.

But this time again you have opened new topic for discussion - Bachelorhood/no marriage, the path for great deeds, sacrifice, courage and achieving the GOD??????????????????????????

You have brought your one more great misconception and for no doubt, I will give you answer from the Holy books again, supporting with excellent examples , to whom GOD has chosen (Prophets) and they were far above all priests & ascetics you are talking about………

Prophet Adam - Married

Prophet Noah (Nuh) - Married

Prophet Abraham - Married

Prophet Ishmael - Married

Prophet Isaac - Married

Prophet Jacob - Married

Prophet Isaiah - Married

Prophet Moses (Musa) - Married

Prophet Muhammad the last and the final messenger to Mankind - Married

(Peace and Blessings of almighty GOD be upon them)

Oh my dear please understand that GOD was very close to Prophets, Prophets were Pure and had high knowledge and for no doubt, prophets achieved the GOD …………………please don’t tell me or to any person that someone else was more closer than the Prophets to GOD and he was because he was unmarried………..SHOW ME EVEN ONE EXAMPLE OF ANY ONE IN THIS HUMAN HISTORY, WHO WAS NOT A PROPHET BUT WAS CLOSER TO GOD MORE THAN THE PROPHETS ?????????????????????????....I KNOW THE ANSWER IS NO ONE ….

GOD loves all of us and his love is great …Quran confirms that Allah’s love to every human is more than even combined love of 70 mothers to their children…….

Some people says that if you marry then you will not be able to achieve the GOD…I tell to those people that why don’t you look at the Prophets lives and their teachings ………..if it was forbidden completely for men/women to marry then GOD’s Prophets would have not married and neither they would have told that the marriage is one of the gift of GOD given to you ….and its good if you marry …..

But if you do not marry and do bad things, you are not going to achieve GOD. If you don’t marry and do good things and Pray to almighty GOD in the way as the last Prophet had told you then you will surely go to heaven ……the conclusion of this topic is below ….

If you marry its good and you will get the gift of the GOD given to you and if you don’t marry, you will not get this gift of GOD ………...as far as achieving the GOD or purity or going to heaven is considered then please see the life of the most prophets and their teachings ……considering this worldly situation my dear GOD has given you permission to marry and its considered to be pure relationship ..

Please see below verse to support what I am talking to you::::::::

Among His signs is [the fact] that He has created spouses for you among yourselves so that you may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has planted love and mercy between you; In that are signs for people who reflect." Qur'an [30: 21]

"And the believers, men and women, are protecting friends of one another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey Allah and His messenger; as for those, Allah will have mercy on them; Lo! Allah is Mighty, Wise. Allah hath promised to believers - men and women - gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein, and beautiful mansions in gardens of everlasting bliss; but the greatest bliss is the good pleasure of Allah: This is the supreme felicity. Qur'an." [9: 71 - 72]

"...Marry the women of your choice..." Qur'an [4 : 3]

"Men shall take full care of women, because Allah has given the one more strength than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard ..." Qur'an [4: 34]

Hope you have understood. This big topic, we can debate but I feel you are knowledgeable person and above details would provide you enough evidence.

Now on your another question on Alcohol/wine?

Brendon, I don’t know how much you are aware of Indian Gods and goddesses, there are many where people pour Alcohol on these statues/moorthis and say its for their GOD….

But lets come to truth whether in Veda which are considered to be most old and truthful to refer – what’s does VEDA talk about ALCOHOL ?

Manu Smriti, Veda and Quran condemn Alcohol and Gambling : see below verse:

Quran: Surah Maa’idah Chapter 5 verse 90,

O Ye who Believe! Intoxicants and gambling (Dedication of ) stones, And (Divination by) arrows, Are an abomination Of Satan’s handiwork; Eschew such (abomination), That ye may prosper.

Manu Smriti Chapter 9, verse235:

“A priest – killer, a liquor drinker, a thief and a violator of hi guru’s marriage bed – all of these, and each separately, should be known as men who committed major crime.”

Rigveda Book 10 Hymn 34 verse3:

“A gamester/gambler says, ‘my wife holds me aloof, my mother hates me’. The wretched man finds none to comfort.”

Rigveda Book 10 Hymn 34 verse13:

“Play not with dice: No, cultivate thy corn land. Enjoy the gain and deem that wealth sufficient”.

My dear friend, I don’t have to argue with any one to get the answer. I have got the answer of all questions which was important to understand the truth but I feel that you still need to know what does prophet’s really means and what was the need for GOD to send so many prophets (PBUT) time to time, place to place, across the world and then finally he confirmed the final revelation to last prophet Muhammad and gave the Quran which matched with the earlier true messages of the books (Bible, Veda – for many details). if people of book after understanding, calling him (Prophet Muhammad-PBUH) the prophet and denying him then for them when Jesus Christ (PBUH) will return, he will give answer but by the time many will die and for them no one will save …...and anyways Jesus Christ (PBUH) answer will be to follow the last messenger of the GOD – for no doubt he will also follow the same as confirmed in the Quran.

Even if after Jesus (PBUH) coming if someone deny the Last Prophet message then for that person, there will be hell for no doubt ……….

As per Quran, Jesus Christ (PBUH) shall establish peace after his return and all shall agree to him and there will be peace all across and Day of Judgment shall come after his (PBUH) death ….. …….and for no doubt bible also supports coming of Jesus (PBUH)- I have given in my earlier messages enough verses of bible to you regarding this….

Ok I am stopping this discussion here if you don’t have any further questions. I just want to tell you that if you really want to know the truth then the truth is written below – you may want to hide or deny bu the truth is truth- please see below what I sent you very initially in my earlier message – I am repeating those same lines:

“Today I don’t believe in cast, place, color, status etc. . .there is only One God, the eternal and absolute, he begets not, nor begotten, and there is none like unto him …. GOD has made all of us and GOD loves every one. …and every things belongs to him…giving him any shape whatever it may be, its blunder (some people do mistake of making light as almighty God image and they concentrate and say we see God that’s absolute a blunder mistake as there is nothing like unto GOD) ………and I have given enough verse in my previous messages to you and to all which clearly says there nothing like upto him then how can you imagine the almighty as light and how can you say that we see him as Veda says no-one sees him and no prophet claimed that he saw the god face to face …..please request to come out of blunder and follow the true way of praying as taught by the prophet …...If there can be a religion then it should be only one religion for every one…the religion of the people who pray only one GOD, people should believe in the prophets (PBUT), The Books, and the commandments and shall submit their wills in fron


@True Message 3 years ago

To Brendon ..

There were many more prophets (PBUT) who were married and i have not mentioned thier names ....also i did not mentioned that Shri Krishna (almighty GOD's Blessing be upon him) was also married .....FYI


@True Message 3 years ago

pls see below section - some portion was not reflecting in above message:

…...If there can be a religion then it should be only one religion for every one…the religion of the people who pray only one GOD, people should believe in the prophets (PBUT), The Books, and the commandments and shall submit their wills in front of the same one GOD & acquire peach by doing so - this all above should be the minimum criteria of belief for a religion …….

So if you go by prophets and the Books then Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) becomes the last Prophet and Quran the last revealed Holy Book so everyone one should be following that.”

May the GOD’s blessings be upon all and GOD may bring all to true path ………………..

Regards


@ True Message 3 years ago

In above post related to Allah's love to creation:

its from Hadith, not from Quran - just wanted to calrify.

when Messenger of Allah' Muhammed(PBUH) explained his followers the love of ALLAH for his creation.He said "ALLAH LOVES humans 70 times more than a Mother's love"


Nieves 3 years ago

God¡s Love loves in Such, that cross all the differences in all the things, in all the human beings. That Such Great Love, make us worthy to love each other beyond all the words, prophets and institutions, and also beyond all our deeds.

Let me to love everyone, without teachings, believes, thoughts in relation of....

Let me to open my hearth without any judgement, let me to appreciate every person within its authentic nature. Let me go far away of this mind, and be in my unity for you.


Bk 3 years ago

Listen True message what ever ur real name is tell me 1 thing do u have ur mother right how much ur mom loves u too much ok so y Allah send mother to take care of u bcoz he cant come every where so he sends mother for their child and i dont want to expalin in breif if u have ur brain then i think so u ve understand wat i ve said mark my words Mother is the only person who loves her child more than her husband & family memebers even more than Allah


Bk 3 years ago

And 1 more thing i ve come to know that u r a muslim so this is nt ur muslim community so pls if u want to comment then pls go to their community & comment this pure brahma kumaris community OK Ur most welcome to comment bt only about bk nt any other for ex rigveda Quaran etc Ok


BK 3 years ago

Why you people are just blaming each other? Be pure from your self, then the whole world will be pure.


BK Bhabesh Bhai 3 years ago

Om Shanti!

Thanks all for partcipating!

This discussion will clarify the doubts. Here many persons quotes about Brahma Baba-his married life, Kid, businees. He clarifies all the things to his followers and nothing is hidden.

That means he was good fellow and his theory or Shrimat is available in any BK centre all over the.

Any one can get the detail information from any centre and please note these centres are not underground organoztion.

They are in prominent place of the locality.

Please go and consult with BK members, your doubt will be cleared.

Maintaining celibacy, having veg. foods are not bad havit, rather these are good habit from the very beginnig of the civilization.

Om Shanti!


bk peyush  3 years ago

after all i want to say all the brothers and sisters

that haven't you listened to BK SHIVANI ON ASTHA CHANNEL ON AWAKENING WITH BRAHMA KUMARIS she is the live proof of peace and the divine knowledge given by the GOD

lets have the good feeling and optimism for the person who is opposing brahmakumaris

OM SHANTI


Nieves 3 years ago

Is very easy to speak about ......

Is good to take time to achieve experiences, then you can give your opinion, without experiences, all is a simple theory.

All the humanity are good persons, with theirs defects and virtues. Let me to learn to be a better person; Let me to connect with Good who is the Power's Central. Let me to go beyond of this world, of this mind, of this mine......


amisha 3 years ago

oh my god


amisha 3 years ago

all religion teach us about good so no one have right to tell bad about anything or anyone infant Om Shanti is very good religion which had helped me a lot for my life


Bk 3 years ago

Listen Nieves wat ever ur real name is u murron how dare u to talk abt om shanti u mother fucker from nxt tym if will see ur comment then u r gone this ur first & last comment understnd u will hear that type of bad words which ur four father haven hear & ur mother also


Nieves 3 years ago

my last commentary does not directed to any person specially, to any person. These words are only a free and transcendental opinion for the individual life's each one. Do not take personally, please. I usually to comment in general manner about the life's experience. My experiences in the life and also in Brahma Kumaris are good, because i extract the teachings that help me to grow. Only, i wanted to say, that even in the best place, if one do no take experiences can seem a parrot, only because of my experience and not directed to anyone. Sorry me, because my bad expression, all had been a misunderstanding. Thanks, this also is a lesson for me.


Maas 3 years ago

shivsena teri maa ki chut madarchod saale tum log hi zeher ho lavde k baal bhosdikay chinal k bache randi aulaad


ranjith bk 3 years ago

u fools pbk's nobody can kill God.

wo veeru hi pakka hiaranyakaship.

see his face how dirty,

ek baar shankar bhagwaan ka photo dekho,

our usko dekho jaanawaar jaise hi !


@True Message  3 years ago

Dear friends,

After a long time, I logged in to this site and it hurts to say that one of my friend, writes that Muslim should not be writing on this site. This person says that he has come to know that I am Muslim.

1st of all let me clarify that I am a human like you and people recognize me as Hindu Rajput today because I stay in this region which was earlier know as region watered by river Indus (area beyond the river Sindhu) and then later as this area was known as Sindh and then after some time hind and then the people staying here in this region were recognized as Hindu and finally the name Hinduism came in existence so today I write I am Hindu but its actually geographical region and the people living was better know as Sanatan Dharma /Vedantists.

Please open the pages of history. Hindu word is not found in any of our Hindu old Holy Scriptures and history.

Anyway even if I was a Muslim then also what’s the problem? Do you know what’s the meaning of word MUSLIM? Muslim is Arabic word which literally means “One who submits his will to one True God”. So now I ask you, are you not a Muslim? If not then I request you to pray one true God only as that’s the only truth & submit to him alone.

Further to clarify on the point – Love of almighty GOD (Allah or Pramatama or Brahma (creator) or any other Good name but don’t give any image to God, not even bindu/point) compare to mother: my friend I am very much aware of the love of a mother to her child. I agree that love of mother is far more then the love of any human (father, relatives, friends, husband wife or any one) on this earth but you must know our creature before our mother is the almighty GOD, the creator of our soul and then after we grow in our mother’s abdomen. Almighty God loves us more than anybody including our mother’s. if you have any doubt, please go to any knowledgeable person, you may get answer and please open your heart and know the almighty GOD first.

Almighty GOD says that Mother has the highest value among all relations on this earth. Keep your parents happy and the root of the heaven starts from the mother’s feet. If your parents are happy and you have done good deeds and you have prayed the true God rightly as told by the last Prophet and have obeyed God’s Prophets teachings. No one can stop your success and you will surely attain place in Heaven/paradise.

……….i am aware that people are teaching whatever was revealed to Prophets earlier all over the world…”its good whoever is learning good things and teaching good things”…...

You have also commented that I should not talk/teach Veda’s, Bible and Quran saying’s. so I ask you a question that If you can bring even one sentence/teaching which you have found yourself with your knowledge or anyone else in your BK have found and that sentence/teaching was not available before. Also bring witness to it. If you are able to do so, I will agree whatever you say then after …at least please bring even one true line?

I asked above question only coz u are saying that I should talk about Brahma kumari on this site so I want to know something which you have learned and that true message was revealed to BK only. It was never spoken, was never written, or there is some great true miracle, or true holy book revealed - please let me know so that I can start I my interaction more with you to learn something new but before anything, you have to answer my above one question.

God may have mercy on all and may bring all to right path

Regards


@True Message 3 years ago

There was couple of spelling mistakes in above message:

Please read -

Creature as Creator

Know as known

And if any other mistake please forgive

Almighty God may have mercy on you

Regards,


seema 3 years ago

i m in contact with bk in ismalabaad and jhansa centre fro 3 years.. all i exprience is didi in centre here are soo selfish.. ask for donation always.. and moreover lie toooooooo much . for getting donations..


seema 3 years ago

sometimes i even cry over their nature.. rude.. so much attitude.. and selfish.. humare ghar me geeta pathshala hoti h daily.. anju didi jo k ismalabaad centre ki head h .. har thrusday or sunday humare ghar aati h .. or aakar hume tang krti h..


help 3 years ago

how i can complaint about 1 sister in aashram..


Maas 3 years ago

Dekh Ranjith teri maa ka bhosda teri himmat kesi hui brahmakumaris ko fool kehte hue gaandu bhaag ja idhar se warna jis din mila na bahot fatke khaye ga samja lavde k baal madarchod


neha rajdev 3 years ago

you should at least give urself a chance to unfold the glory of ur life . be creative. life can turn better. if u don't like then leave it , but if it worked tresures inside u can open.

om- shanti


om shanti 3 years ago

please remove this msg


True Message 3 years ago

There is no god. Deal with it.


@True Message 3 years ago

There is God, only one and he is the alone who deserves our worship....there is no worthy of worship but almighty God alone. Who is most merciful, most beneficent, the one who nurtures and sustains, The master and Malik, The one, The self sufficient, The all knowing, the all aware, the all wise, the kind, the bestower of good, The all hearing, the all seeing, The one who is praised, The Glorious, the great, The exalted, the noble, Allaah, The forgiving, The oft returning, The holy, The peace, The high, The mighty, the strong, the powerful, the compeller, the supreme, the creator, the originator, the shaper, the giver of security, the ever watching, All powerful, the able, the most subtle the kind, the reckoner, The all watcher, the guardian, the encompassing, the subduer, the irresistible, The most powerful, the disposer of affairs, the one possessing majesty and honor, the loving, the opener, the judge, the provider, the gatherer of mankind, the living, the sustainer, the light, the originator of heaven and earth, the taker, the extender, the giver, the preventer, the witness, the starter, the recaller, the one who repeats creation, the one who does what he wills, the self sufficient, the rich, the forbearing, the rewarder of good, the answerer, the sufficient, the first, the last, the munificent, the inward, the vast, the director, the guide, the truth

Please read these names every day, you will surely come to know the God as he is most forgiving and loving of all.

Almighty God may bring all to true path


MICHAEL 3 years ago

PLEASE do not spread wrong information about BKIVV..and know only one brahma not second brahma ....dont remember brahmababa or fraud dixit ...u trust shivbaba alone...and listen tp regular brahma kumaris MURALI CLASS


anushka 3 years ago

these people are dongi,apna ghar nahi samal sakthe hai dusroka bhi basne nahi dethe hai,what baba he is one more dongi like sai baba jr,what murli all bakwas except methe bach what else is said can a dogs tail ever be made sida similarly is bk sisters .................


Maas 3 years ago

a Anushka teri maa ki chut madarchod chinal randi salli abe haazar kutto ne tere ko choda hoga samji na chinal saali randi ki bachi jab kutto ne teri maa ko choda hoga na tab tu jaake paida hui thi samji na tera baap to randwa tha na tu saali kitno se chudwaai hogi sab tere ko condom pehan ke tere ko chodte hai na saali madarchod bhenchod maa chuda apni samji na agar tera aisa waisa comment aya to teri maa ko chod duga samji na saali


Maas 3 years ago

Dekhiye Me khisi ko bhi gaali dena nahi chahata hu jis jis ko bk k baare me comment krna hai woh zarrur kare lekin bk k baare me galat comment kiya jaise is chinaal ki bachi ANUSHKA ne kiya hai waisa agar kisi ne kiya USKI me MAA CHOD DUGA I WILL FUCK HIS OR HER MOM OK this my first and my last WARNING comment krne se pehle ye zarur pad lena


dhruv 3 years ago

maas agar ye man le ki tum Om Shanti ke samarthak ho..toh ye galiya toh bilkul bhi shobha nahi de rahe,,,Isey toh yahi lagega ki Om Shanti me unuchit sikhaya hai.. Maintain ur temper..Evry indivisual has got their own opinion,,n they hav all the right to express it. If the authorities of BK are least bothered of opposed opinions..y do u hav to get into it and abuse people.


Monica 3 years ago

The fools who don't have the guts to follow the directions of GOD "The Almighty",write all the bullwhip.The cannot accepts it that is the reason they write bad words about Brahma baba,Shiv baba,& BRAHMA KUMARI Sisters.

Think n Act otherwise Dharamraj will Act.....


Maas 3 years ago

Dekhiye dhruv bhai me maanta hu aap ki baat ko mere ko aap 1 baat bataiye agar me aap k dharam k baare me agr aisa likhta jaise anushka ne likha hai toh kya aap soon k loge muje bk ki authority ko fark padta hai ya nahi muje us se koi lena dena nahi hai muje malum hai GOD is one abhi aap hi batao kya ye sab aap k aankhon k samne likhte hue kya aap dekh sakoge me yeh nahi keh rha hu k public ko apni baat nahi kehni chahiye par jab aap kisi k baare me achaa likh nahi sakte kam se kam boora toh mat likho


swati 3 years ago

This is absolutely fighting for our own religious believes. If we say How is it possible that Ganeshi got head of elephant we can also comment that it is a built up story.Same is Happening when we think how is it possible that God enters a Human body.


swati 3 years ago

This is absolutely fighting for our own religious believes. If we say How is it possible that Ganeshi got head of elephant we can also comment that it is a built up story.Same is Happening when we think how is it possible that God enters a Human body.


Maas 3 years ago

Dekhiye Swati ji aap bura mat lagiye ga kya aapne apni aakho se dekha he ganesh ji ko elephant ko sir lagate hue nahi na phir bhi aap maante he na k ganpati ji hai kyu kyu ki wo ek shradha vishwaas he apka hai na waise hi humne bhagwan ko nahi dekha hai or na hi koi bhagwan ko dekh sakega humne sirf unki aawaz suni hai abhi bhaghwan toh zor zor se nahi bol sakte hai toh unhe bhi ek sharir ki zarurat padti hai aap apne nazdiki brahmakumaris center me jaaiye aap ko malum pad jayega


@ True Message 3 years ago

Dear BK Friends,

I have following questions/Queries and I am searching for answers from Brahma Kumari team. i went to BK centre they did not give even one satify answer to below.can somone of you tell me the answer. Please reply my questions only if you have true supporting documents regarding the same otherwise not. Questions are as below:

before the questions, i want to tell you about me. i am true believer of Almighty GOD who does not have any shape, is unborn,does not have any parents, wives, childrens relatives etc, he is the alone who create and he is wise and all seeing. i strongly respect and believe of His Prophets (PBUT) and his last messenger Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). i strongly believe in holy books, Veda, Bible and Quran. Quran is the last revelation of GOD to HUmanity as per Almighty GOD. if you read these holy books you will come to know much more than what people are teaching you.

pls find below questions:

(1) BK Claims on God coming inside human?..........there is no supporting scripture revelation from GOD with Brahma kumari but they still claim without any fact......there were lachs of Prophets in the world and many of them we also know from the books like Bible, Quran etc. they also never claimed these kind of stories. The biggest fact is that all the great prophets and all great revelations were always prophesized before the coming to this world in Veda, Bible, Quran etc. but BK Lekhraj Ji is nowhere mentioned in these great revealed scriptures of GOD…….and Lekhraj Ji claimed something which other great prophets also did not so how can you believe it. Actually Coming of GOD inside human would be the greatest incident of human history so why it’s not been prophesized before in Holy Scriptures? DO you feel GOD was not aware of this revelation? God is all knowing and all seeing if this was to happen it should have been there as GOD had described all great incidents in holy book before it occurs so that people know the signs but BK claim is wrong that’s why its not in holy scriptures…. (Peace and blessings of GOD be on all the prophets)

(3) Enlightenment claim of BK Lekhraja Ji?....there is No revealed Holy book given to Dada Lekhraj.....All the great Prophets got Holy Book from God which was revealed to them but BK is claiming something without any holy scriptures/revelation,. If you read Bible and Quran, it clearly says that many such people will come in future who will claim lots of things but they will not be right ......true claims can be always supported by scriptures available which talks from the creation of universe to the Kayamat....Every great incident in human history were prophesized before itself …like coming of Prophet Jesus (PBUH) , coming of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH), coming of Shree Krishna Ji (PBUH), coming of Buddha (PBUH) and many more …………surprisingly Lekhraj Ji is nowhere seen in any of the holy scripture? …only his own claims are there with BK….

(Peace and blessings of GOD be on all the prophets)

(4) Brahma Kumari talking about the tree where they show Brahma as Dada Lekhraj and shows prophets and many other saints/Peer/Great souls etc.?....there are many many mistakes in that tree including the religions founder mentioned there ....including the time mentioned there ...including the people representation mentioned there ...and how many to write here ....many more.....so if it was revealed from GOD then there should have been truth not mistakes? ……

As there are many many mistakes its not possible to mention here but I am hereby listing some mistake mentioned in the BK tree for your information:

(i) Founder of Islam : BK mentions Prophet Abraham (Ebrahim - PBUH) as founder and call it forced religion – its wrong – please read Quran and Bible you will come to know that the Islam founder is no other but GOD himself who says that this was the deen followed by ADAM and by Abraham and by all the prophets and the same I confirm through Prophet Muhammad to mankind – Islam means submitting your wills in front of one true GOD and airing peace by that . in humans if you want to say any founder then that would be Adam himself, the first person & so we all ….now tell me how do you justify this error in BK tree? ..also there is mistake in BK tree about date of his coming? Date mentioned in absolutely wrong? Pls read history you will come to know that Prophet Abraham had come very initial stage of human history.

(ii) Dada Lekhraj/BK Talking about the religion formed by the Prophets :

Dada Lekhraj Talking about the religion formed by the Prophets? big mistakes by Brahma kumari in explaining and representing this .....did you know Christianity was not founded by Prophet Jesus (PBUH) as he was not to found any new religion or kingdom when he had come on this earth, its confirmed by GOD in Bible and i can show you verse?...Did you know Prophet Abraham (PBUH) was not the founder of Islam.?..in the Quran Allah says that i am not talking about any new religion, i am talking about the same religion which was there from the Adam (PBUH), the first human and was followed by Abraham (PBUH) and now i am confirming the same religion to Mankind through Prophet Muhammad and Quran confirms that religion name as Islam and followers of Islam as Muslim ...ISLAM means submitting your wills in front of the Almighty GOd and acquiring peace by doing so ...

Guru Nanak Saheb was not the founder of Sikism please read , don’t go what people know or what people says ...Sikism name was given much much later after his death ...Do you know Gautam Budha never said that Buddhism is religion ....there are many things to say my friend ...many mistakes in BK tree…..Prophet Muhammad was not the founder of new religion or something of his own , please read Quran you will come to know that Allah says in the Quran that Prophet Muhammad is final messenger and is for the whole world so whatever he says is applicable to whole world entire humanity

(Peace and blessings of GOD be on all the prophets)

(5) Lekhraj Ji talking about the cycle of re-birth?....absolutely wrong because this is concept available in later stages books of hindu religion.....No prophet of the book spoke about it and prophets (PBUT) spoke only of resurrection ....infact veda support to resurrection.. For no doubt Quran and Bible support re-surrection not re-birth cycle as explained and understood by Brahma Kumari's by taking reading the stories available here in India...

(6) dada Lekhraja talking about the life cycle of 500years?.....my friend you may be knowing or may not be knowing there are blunder mistakes in all these above explanations claims....please read Veda Properly, read Bible and read the final revelation to humanity Quran, you will come to know what’s the truth.

(7) claim of heaven/Hell on earth?....Bible, Quran, Veda give such great description of Heaven and hell at many places in many verses that even if you tell to blind person he willl understand this description. and the description given refers to some other place which is not on earth .....BK says its on earth ..Great blunder

(8) BK says god as bindu/light: this is great mistake which BK knowledgeable person should release that NO holy scripture has described the shape of the GOD exactly so how can relate to anything just like that ….No eyes has seen GOD face to face. NO Prophet of GOD claimed this but BK claims that they see GOD and GOD came inside human, GOD talks to them? If this was true, they should have been great true souls whom description would be given in holy books but its not there as its not the truth……BK should know that there is difference is concentrating on something assuming something, Meditation, ZIkra of GOD, praying of GOD ….

(9) So I ask you a question that If you can bring even one sentence/teaching BK have found and that sentence/teaching was not available before Lekhraj Ji. Also bring witness to it. If you are able to do so, I will agree whatever you say then after …at least please bring even one true line? I want to know something which you have learned and that true message was revealed to BK only. It was never spoken, was never written, or there is som


@ True Message 3 years ago

Dear BK Friends,

I have following questions/Queries and I am searching for answers from Brahma Kumari team. i went to BK centre they did not give even one satify answer to below.can somone of you tell me the answer. Please reply my questions only if you have true supporting documents regarding the same otherwise not. Questions are as below:

before the questions, i want to tell you about me. i am true believer of Almighty GOD who does not have any shape, is unborn,does not have any parents, wives, childrens relatives etc, he is the alone who create and he is wise and all seeing. i strongly respect and believe of His Prophets (PBUT) and his last messenger Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). i strongly believe in holy books, Veda, Bible and Quran. Quran is the last revelation of GOD to HUmanity as per Almighty GOD. if you read these holy books you will come to know much more than what people are teaching you.

pls find below questions:

(1) BK Claims on God coming inside human?..........there is no supporting scripture revelation from GOD with Brahma kumari but they still claim without any fact......there were lachs of Prophets in the world and many of them we also know from the books like Bible, Quran etc. they also never claimed these kind of stories. The biggest fact is that all the great prophets and all great revelations were always prophesized before the coming to this world in Veda, Bible, Quran etc. but BK Lekhraj Ji is nowhere mentioned in these great revealed scriptures of GOD…….and Lekhraj Ji claimed something which other great prophets also did not so how can you believe it. Actually Coming of GOD inside human would be the greatest incident of human history so why it’s not been prophesized before in Holy Scriptures? DO you feel GOD was not aware of this revelation? God is all knowing and all seeing if this was to happen it should have been there as GOD had described all great incidents in holy book before it occurs so that people know the signs but BK claim is wrong that’s why its not in holy scriptures…. (Peace and blessings of GOD be on all the prophets)

(3) Enlightenment claim of BK Lekhraja Ji?....there is No revealed Holy book given to Dada Lekhraj.....All the great Prophets got Holy Book from God which was revealed to them but BK is claiming something without any holy scriptures/revelation,. If you read Bible and Quran, it clearly says that many such people will come in future who will claim lots of things but they will not be right ......true claims can be always supported by scriptures available which talks from the creation of universe to the Kayamat....Every great incident in human history were prophesized before itself …like coming of Prophet Jesus (PBUH) , coming of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH), coming of Shree Krishna Ji (PBUH), coming of Buddha (PBUH) and many more …………surprisingly Lekhraj Ji is nowhere seen in any of the holy scripture? …only his own claims are there with BK….

(Peace and blessings of GOD be on all the prophets)

(4) Brahma Kumari talking about the tree where they show Brahma as Dada Lekhraj and shows prophets and many other saints/Peer/Great souls etc.?....there are many many mistakes in that tree including the religions founder mentioned there ....including the time mentioned there ...including the people representation mentioned there ...and how many to write here ....many more.....so if it was revealed from GOD then there should have been truth not mistakes? ……

As there are many many mistakes its not possible to mention here but I am hereby listing some mistake mentioned in the BK tree for your information:

(i) Founder of Islam : BK mentions Prophet Abraham (Ebrahim - PBUH) as founder and call it forced religion – its wrong – please read Quran and Bible you will come to know that the Islam founder is no other but GOD himself who says that this was the deen followed by ADAM and by Abraham and by all the prophets and the same I confirm through Prophet Muhammad to mankind – Islam means submitting your wills in front of one true GOD and airing peace by that . in humans if you want to say any founder then that would be Adam himself, the first person & so we all ….now tell me how do you justify this error in BK tree? ..also there is mistake in BK tree about date of his coming? Date mentioned in absolutely wrong? Pls read history you will come to know that Prophet Abraham had come very initial stage of human history.

(ii) Dada Lekhraj/BK Talking about the religion formed by the Prophets :

Dada Lekhraj Talking about the religion formed by the Prophets? big mistakes by Brahma kumari in explaining and representing this .....did you know Christianity was not founded by Prophet Jesus (PBUH) as he was not to found any new religion or kingdom when he had come on this earth, its confirmed by GOD in Bible and i can show you verse?...Did you know Prophet Abraham (PBUH) was not the founder of Islam.?..in the Quran Allah says that i am not talking about any new religion, i am talking about the same religion which was there from the Adam (PBUH), the first human and was followed by Abraham (PBUH) and now i am confirming the same religion to Mankind through Prophet Muhammad and Quran confirms that religion name as Islam and followers of Islam as Muslim ...ISLAM means submitting your wills in front of the Almighty GOd and acquiring peace by doing so ...

Guru Nanak Saheb was not the founder of Sikism please read , don’t go what people know or what people says ...Sikism name was given much much later after his death ...Do you know Gautam Budha never said that Buddhism is religion ....there are many things to say my friend ...many mistakes in BK tree…..Prophet Muhammad was not the founder of new religion or something of his own , please read Quran you will come to know that Allah says in the Quran that Prophet Muhammad is final messenger and is for the whole world so whatever he says is applicable to whole world entire humanity

(Peace and blessings of GOD be on all the prophets)

(5) Lekhraj Ji talking about the cycle of re-birth?....absolutely wrong because this is concept available in later stages books of hindu religion.....No prophet of the book spoke about it and prophets (PBUT) spoke only of resurrection ....infact veda support to resurrection.. For no doubt Quran and Bible support re-surrection not re-birth cycle as explained and understood by Brahma Kumari's by taking reading the stories available here in India...

(6) dada Lekhraja talking about the life cycle of 500years?.....my friend you may be knowing or may not be knowing there are blunder mistakes in all these above explanations claims....please read Veda Properly, read Bible and read the final revelation to humanity Quran, you will come to know what’s the truth.

(7) claim of heaven/Hell on earth?....Bible, Quran, Veda give such great description of Heaven and hell at many places in many verses that even if you tell to blind person he willl understand this description. and the description given refers to some other place which is not on earth .....BK says its on earth ..Great blunder

(8) BK says god as bindu/light: this is great mistake which BK knowledgeable person should release that NO holy scripture has described the shape of the GOD exactly so how can relate to anything just like that ….No eyes has seen GOD face to face. NO Prophet of GOD claimed this but BK claims that they see GOD and GOD came inside human, GOD talks to them? If this was true, they should have been great true souls whom description would be given in holy books but its not there as its not the truth……BK should know that there is difference is concentrating on something assuming something, Meditation, ZIkra of GOD, praying of GOD ….

(9) So I ask you a question that If you can bring even one sentence/teaching BK have found and that sentence/teaching was not available before Lekhraj Ji. Also bring witness to it. If you are able to do so, I will agree whatever you say then after …at least please bring even one true line? I want to know something which you have learned and that true message was revealed to BK only. It was never spoken, was never written, or there is som


@ True Message 3 years ago

(9) So I ask you a question that If you can bring even one sentence/teaching BK have found and that sentence/teaching was not available before Lekhraj Ji. Also bring witness to it. If you are able to do so, I will agree whatever you say then after …at least please bring even one true line? I want to know something which you have learned and that true message was revealed to BK only. It was never spoken, was never written, or there is some great true miracle, or true holy book revealed

Please help to bring the above questions answers

Its good that BK has understood that there is one GOD but giving any shape again they are doing blunder mistake and also giving wrong description of Prophets they are doing another blunder … All Prophets taught good way of praying the almighty GOD similar to what was commanded to last Prophet. The Almighty GOD commanded last Prophet for final revelation and revealed the final praying method to Mankind through him……

GOD may bless you and bring everyone to right path...................................

With regards


Maas 3 years ago

Listen true message what ever your real name is do you believe in God I think so you don't believe in God that's why you are asking this rubbish and foolish questions because those who believe in God can never ever think about these type of question My opinion is you need a pscychatrist to do your treatment because these foolish questiions can a Mental person can do not believer Ok


@True Message 3 years ago

Mass i think more than knowledge, you have learned abusing people or using bad words.

It is not necessary if something is out of your knowledge / understanding is always wrong/ foolish. If could not understand my questions why did you replied to me. I have written at the beginning of message itself if someone has proper details to clarify these question then he/she may well reply otherwise not.

Why don’t you read my message initial lines itself I have clarified whether I am a believer of one true God or not? I love Almighty God more than my life, more than anything in life and I pray to him alone. I don’t require your certificate of whether I believe in GOD or not. God is all wise, aware and all seeing.

Remember my words, people who abuse others and who talk bad about other unnecessarily they are not good in God’s eye and they can never be true believer. So pls first you be a true believer then you discuss with me.

My questions are related to Brahma Kumari’s many claims so if you know in-depth of Brahma Kumari’s claims & you have details to prove then you may well reply otherwise not, thanks.

God may have mercy on you & bring to right path.


sonu 3 years ago

1. Jab ap log jante hain ki Nikat bhavishya me Krishna ka janm hone wala hai, to ye kyu nahi batate ki kaha aur kiske ghar me hoga? taki hum log bhi usse jakar mil aye?


Ajay 3 years ago

Biwi bachho ko dikha saku.


Ajay 3 years ago

BK me pahle kahte the ki 99 tak duniya khatm ho jayegi, fir 2000 me krishn ka janm ho jayega. 2010 tak to swarg bhi aa jayega aur krish ka Rajtilak ho jayega. Ye baate BK Surya Bhai ne OmShanti Bhawan, Mt. Aabu me apni class me kahi thi. But abhi to 2011 chal raha hai aur wo sab fek tha. Jago Grahak Jago.


junaid khan 3 years ago

(1) Bk kahte hai ki aaj se 2500 Saal pahle Islam dharm aya, jisko hajrat Ibrahim ne laya aur 1400 saal pahle muslim dharm aya, jisko hajrat mohammad sahab ne laya. Ye faltu ki baat apko kisne kaha ya ap kis adhar par aisa kah rahe ho. Bcoz islam aur muslim dharm alag2 nahi hai. Islam 1 dharm hai aur uska palan karne wale muslman hain. Hajrat Issa aur hajrat mussa bhi hamare purvaj the. Yadi apko sahi histry pata nahi hai to fir galat jankari failana band kare. Apko hamare majhab ke baare me galat bayani karne ka koi hak nahi hai.

(2) Ap ne jo ibrahim ki photo ped me laga rakhi hai, wo apko kaha se mil gai. Wo bhi galat hai. Bcoz hum log kisi tasveer ki ibadat nahi karte.

(3) Apne Sang-E-Aswad ke baare me kaha ki ye shivling ka prateek hai. Ye bahut badi galatfahmi ap log faila rahe hain. Hum murti poojak nahi hai. Aur hamara allah 1 hai. Hum kisi shivling ki ibaadat nahi karte. Shiv ling ki ibadat to apko bhi karna nahi chahiye. Bcoz ling to penis ko kahte hai.

(4) Allah Pita nahi hai. Bcoz Pita wo hota hai jo hame paida karta hai. Allah se hamara pita, mata ya bhai bahan ka sambandh nahi ho sakta. Allah ki jaat in sabse upar hai. Unhe in Rishto-Nato me nahi bandh sakte.

(5) Yadi ap lahsun-pyaj nahi khana chahte to mat khaiye, lekin hamare majhab me jo bhi baate jaruri hai, unhe manna hamare liye jaruri bhi hai aur hamara farz bhi hai. Hamare majhab me gosht khane ki manahi nahi hai.

(6) Ap Bible ya quran-sharif se sirf wo baate uthakar batate hain, jo apke cult ko support kare, sari baate ap nahi batate. Yahi baat Geeta ke liye bhi hai. Warna Geeta me likha hai ki: Mai Pahad me bhi hu, Mai magar me bhi hu, Mai nadi me bhi hu, Mai ped me bhi hu. Ap ye baat to batate naih.

(7) Kya shivbaba ko Duniya ke aadi-madhya-ant ka Gyan nahi hai? Yadi hai to fir wo pura itihas Kyu nahi batate? Ravidas Guru, Kabir Das, Rahim aur Gurunanak ki Waniyo me kya likha hai, aur uska arth kya hai, in sabke bare me apki sanstha kuch nahi kahti.

(8) Ap log Moh maya chhod chuke ho to fir A.C. Car kyu use karte ho, Plane me kyu safar karte ho. Ye sab to Maya ka pomp hai, jaisa ap log kahte ho. Ap log badi2 buildings kyu bana rahe ho? Apne Mt. Abu me Cement ka jungle bana diya hai. Itna paisa kaha se aa raha hai. Ap log Anna Hazare ki tarah kyu nahi rahte?

(9) Yadi ap Samaj sewa kar rahe ho to abhi tak kitne Anathlaya apne khole hai, Kitne Wridhashram khole hai? kitni garib bachhiyo ki shadi karwai hai? Kya Garibo ke bachho ko ap log Education dete ho? Unki padhai ka kharcha apki shnstha Uthati hai?

(10) Ap logo ne lobh ko jeet liya hai? Jab ap log train me safar karte ho to apki moti-moti sisters hamesha kuch na kuch chatar-patar khati rahti hain. Maine hamesha dekha hai ki in logo ka muh chalta hi rahta hai. Ek se ek laziz aur mirch masaledar khana ap kha rahe ho aur public ko kahte ho ki lobh ka tyag kar do. Are pahle ap To tyag karo.

(11) Yadi apki islaam ke khilaf jo bhi baate hai, unhe apne band nahi kiya, to apko apni sanstha hi band karni padegi.


Maas 3 years ago

Dekh bhai junaid tu jo koi bhi hai me jaanta hu ki teri aadi baat sach hai aur aadi baat faltu tu jis language me comment diya hai mene bhi usi language me comment diye la hu samja tune jo penis word ka use kiya he na madarchod woh galat hai kya hum ne tere dharam ko aisa word kaha hai kabhi toh tu kis hak se humare shiv ling ko ye word de rha hai tum log k liye bhi hum log k paas ek word hai tune suna hoga katwe ya fir landiya bata abhi kaisa laga ye word pad k tere ko likhne k liye mana nahi kr rha hu tu likh lekin ye sab word use mat kar Dekh sida hisab hai hum tumhare dharam ko gaali nahi dete toh tum bhi humare dharam ko gaali mat do (Penis) samja


koti 3 years ago

sivababa is right


harmeet 3 years ago

the ultimate thing is to remember god, the path you want to choose is entirely upto you.

if u feel change in ur life by practising that path then follow it. ITS YOUR OWN CHOICE.

no fights, no arguments. dont waste time and energy in such things just do ur work in the best possible way and remember god and stop expecting from others. u will live a happy life.

WISH, YOU ALL HAPPINESS.


samajh 3 years ago

Junaid,

tum bahut bhole ho..

ling ka matlab swaroop hota hai. jaise striling means striswaroop and pulling means purushswarop.aap agyanta bas nahi samjhte.rakshso ke seeng nahi hote.apne bhojan (Maas-madira) apni aadat,apne bicharo se wo pahchane jate hai. Parmatma 1 hai.chahe use allah kaho ya Eswar.allah bhi noor swaroop me hai.khud se socho BK dwara di gayi iswari pahchan hi asli khuda ki pahchan hai.


Treater 3 years ago

Abe wo Kutteki aulaad Junaid tum kehte ho ki tum log tasweerko ibadat nahi rakte hain to pir mecca ki tasveer kisliye laga rakhte hain??? mecca ki andar bi ek pattar padi hain tume dikegi nahi?? harami tum sab kuch hamarese seeka hain tumhare jaat bi hamaarese paaidha huva hain.badmass apne jaatke web site me jaakar coment karo yanha nahi,teri aade land poore kaatke chodenge samje??


@True Message 3 years ago

Dear Treater,

As i was going through your posted text, i found some mistakes so clarifying u as a friend.

I studied that in Islam, people don’t worship Mecca or Kaaba or that black stone which you are referring. they Pray to Allah alone.

Mecca is a place name where Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) took birth.

Kaaba is also situated in Mecca. Kaaba has been constructed and reconstructed by Prophets Adam, Ibrahim, Ismail and Muhammad (peace be upon them all). No other building has had this honor. It is roughly in the shape of a cube and made of thick stone walls. On the outside it is quite simple rough stone, with the Hajre Aswad (Black Stone) in one corner. Science proofs that Hajre Aswad (Black Stone) belongs to some other solar system then the one we live in. Allah sent the Black Stone (Hajre Aswad) with the angel Jibril (as) to Prophet Ibrahim (as) to put in the corner. This is where Muslims begin their tawaf from.

Kaaba is considered to be the centre of our earth and surprisingly this is also proved by science.

The qibla, the direction Muslims face during prayer, is the direction from their location on Earth towards the Kaaba.

Even our Veda speaks about Kaaba.

Muslim is Arabic word which means "the one who submits to one God alone"

Islam is also Arabic word has many good meaning. one of the concluded meaning by learned people is "submitting your wills in front of one true God and acquiring peace"

Above is for your kind information.

God may have mercy on all of us and bring us to true path.


SANTOSH PANWAR 3 years ago

PLEASE TELL ME DETAIL BY EMAIL.........

WHAT IS THIS.


@ True Message 3 years ago

Dear Santosh,

are you asking me to share any details?

please clarify


maxjewel 3 years ago

Dear True Message

Can you please give the details related to islam (with proof) given in your last passage


Maxjewel 3 years ago

“The world has been in existence since eternity and it will continue to be eternal. The world was neither created anytime before nor will it get destroyed later, because matter can neither be created nor destroyed, it only undergoes transformation from one form to another. Similarly this world also undergoes changes in its characteristics, but as such the world was not created out of nothing nor will there be a total annihilation.”

The above extract is taken from Brahmakumari’s official site. It seems these people also have an urge to cook spirituality with science and present for luring people into their organization. It specially helps to fool people who are not very familiar with scientific facts & figures.

The para has been cunningly written to skip over any possible contradiction. First, let us take the ‘future’ as per the para (i.e eternal earth). We do not know the near future of the earth but one thing is sure that our Sun will one day become red and will expand. This expanded Sun will engulf our planet and consumed it in the solar furnace. The Earth will totally & wholly lose its structural & physical identity. It such situation no such thing like ‘Time Cycle’ or ’Drama Cycle’ or ‘rebirth’ will take place. Atleast after a rebirth you need a place to stand, you cannot stand inside a burning sun and do your preset ‘Drama’. Yes, the total matter of the earth will remain but as a part of the sun. Such form of matter do not have any connection with ‘Human’, ‘Life’, ‘Time Cycle’ or ‘Drama Cycle’. Now the BK’s might argue that the earth will again be created from the same matter to support life, but that would take millions & millions of years and then the theory of 5000 yrs time cycle is screwed up. And if the 5000 yrs cycle goes on then the unfortunate rebirth bodies will be hanging in space waiting for the earth to form. So the idea of eternal future of world is non-sense.

Now talking about eternal past of the earth it is universally accepted fact that our universe started from a big bang followed by expansion, cooling, condensation of gaseous matter to form stars, planets etc. It is for sure that our world had a starting point as a planet (in its solid state). Obviously the total matter of our planet was not created but existed in a gaseous or molten form. But, again unfortunately things like ‘Time Cycle’ , ‘Drama Cycle’, ‘Life’ , ‘Raj Yoga’, ‘Bahanjis’ & ‘Bhaijis’ are not supported by gaseous or a hot molten matter. For all these things you need a hard surface to stand on, and i.e. a life supporting planet (somebody can try Rajyoga inside an active volcano and see how it feels).

The bogus idea of everlasting Earth is essential to support BK’s concept of Continuous Time Cycle, Drama Cycle & never ending rebirths etc. But if the life span of earth as a planet is limited then BK’s ideology on such matters is screwed up and will be proved as fraud. To further cover up the contradiction they came up with the excuse as ‘matter is indestructible so earth is indestructible’, but the above explanation proves that this excuse is also a hoax. Matter does not support life in all its forms

IT IS OUR CHOICE TO ACCEPT REALITY OR GET SELF-HYPNOTISED BY SOME BEAM OF LIGHT AND LEAVE IN THE WORLD OF FALSE IMAGINATION.


@ True Message 3 years ago

Dear Maxjewel,

I agree with most of your explainations regarding BK.

looks like u have studied the BK basics.

No men of God saw GOD face to face, not even the prophets (PBUT) clamined it. Prophets (PBUT)are considered to be very close to GOD.

BK claims that they see Almighty God every day, they talk to GOD. i dont know, why dont people think before accepting such false statements. BK cant even support any such things with any of the revealed Holy books (Veda, Bible, Quran) in the world.

God may bring all to true path.

regards'


Maxjewel 3 years ago

Dear True Message

Many people are deceived by this group of people.

1) They denounce and criticise other faith and religion in their dark rooms. Outside they show as humble and prideless people (hypocrites). A hatred they preserve in their minds

2) They do not have a standard scripture which is very essential foundation of a religion. They come up with muralis from time to time. These muralis are stolen from other holy books and motivation books. They only change the language and sentence. These muralis are selected as per need of the hour and thereby creating a sensation in the minds of the believers

3) They indirectly claim themselves as near God souls by connecting themselves (rajyoga).

4) Their law of karma goes against brotherhood of mankind. Suffering of anybody is ignore on the pretext of result of previous birth karma.

5) Their 5 epoch is a hoax and does not have any historical validity.

6) They have reduced the almighty GOD to a mere source of energy. He is no more a Creator since everthing is eternal. He cannot do anything regarding the suffering of a person since the Karmic Law decides all. He cannot give a final resting place for the souls since these souls are trapped in the time cycle forever.

7) By imposing 'White clothes', 'Vegetarian food' , 'no sex' & 'meditation' they hallucinate the followers in believing that they are shaking hands with GOD.

8) It is a blasphemy to teach that you can suck out divine energy from Almighth God by a mere practice of meditation. This is like seducing God in your bedroom

9) Their Leaders mesmerize innocent people by giving complex theories of ‘soul’ , ‘Higher Soul’,’ Self-consciousness’ ,’non-physical conscious energy’, ‘subconsciouness’ etc. GOD CAN NEVER PRESENT HIMSELF IN SUCH A COMPLEX WAY THAT ONLY SOME BAHANJIS CAN UNDERSTAND. THESE ARE SIMPLY EXTREMITIES OF HUMAN IMAGINATION.

10) Their time to time prophecies are stolen and bizarre.

11) Preachers of other religion have and suffered and died for the sake of their faith. I have never heard a bahanji suffering and dying for her faith.

12) Their leaders are only fond of rich and powerful people. They go to important towns, cities & metros. You will never find a BK person going to remote place of a third world country and doing spiritual work and serving people.

Be aware of such people, they a deceivers, they compel people to think themselves are near God Souls. They are false prophets in white robes

I have recently started investigating their ideology after a heated debate with one of their member. I though them to be very good people but later after the debate I found out that they have vices hidden in their minds. It is only that they do not show by pretension.

It is time we expose them. I am starting a Blog devoted to exposing every aspect of their ideology, theories and practices.

regards


mohit kumar garg--- 3 years ago

hey..!! WHAT THE HELL...HOW CAN U SATAE THAT,THESE ABOVE INFORMATION ARE FALSE...

WHATEVER U had wrote in above ststement.

If u want cheak ,u have to come bks centers...where u will fell the diffrence, u eill feel the spritiual world....I CAN FEEL THE DIFFRENCE BETWEEN ME & OTHERS..

WAKE-UP..!! MAN..!!

BEFORE u die.....

GOD...are distribhting the knowledge of....world...

who...r u...???? do u know.....???

why u feel sometimes that in a perticular moment taht it allready had happen..??

wake-up man..!! ....cz there is nothing in the world...

just come out from ur FANTASY WORLD...........om shanti..!!

if u have doubt u can consult me...there are many questions u dont know..thats y u r arguing that bks r wrong...


maxjewel 3 years ago

Since you are a BK you are not suppose to get angry. But, your above passage is a 'blast of anger' without any logic. No matter how much 'Rajyoge' you do, your vices don't leave you, infact they remain dormant in you. THIS IS REALLY WHAT YOU ARE , AND EVERYBODY ARE. You have made a lot of generic statement like 'who r u??' , 'wake-up' , etc. These tricks are being used by so called holy men for ages , but now most people don't take it except ones like you.

I have been in close touch with your people, your centre, your TV program & your books. I do not need a separate introduction from you. Better if you get to the point and give some valid & logical reply. You all have created your own God as per your need and convenience and leave in world of fantasy. You need to come out of it. Your notorious ‘meditation’ gives a false feeling to the believers that they have received divine energy from God but they fail to realize that it is only an act of mental exercise which rejuvenates our body & mind


maxjewel 3 years ago

The Brahmakumari’s concept of ‘World Drama Cycle’ consisting of 5 epochs (symbolized the Swastika Sign) is a blatant imitation of the original Hindu ideology with a twist. A brief idea which we get is an eternal world (no starting & no ending) with endless time cycles of 5000 years consisting of 5 epochs. The Cycle starts with an epoch of 100% pure, peaceful & prosperous period (Golden Age) and then followed by periods with gradual decrease of above qualities and finally landing in total anarchy. Then back to Golden Age and so on. It apparently gives the present believers a hope of a illusive Great future (Golden Age) based on an idea of unknown Golden past. But, did we have a Great Past? Will we abide in the Golden future forever? If there was no Golden Age in the past there will be no Golden Age in future.

Two things are sure as per the BK ideology – 1) 5000 yrs time cycle -2) currently we are living in the 5th epoch (last). Based on these two points we can estimate when the 1st epoch (golden age) happened. This should we around 3000 B.C. (3000 B.C + 2000 A.D= 5000 years). We have plenty of data and record to give us a clear view of the period around 3000 BC. If we are discussing in the context of the whole world then suffering, scarcity, battles, war etc were always a part & parcel of human history. The World was never a ‘Heaven on Earth’. Infact, our present world is better than the past in some respect. In the ancient world Kingdoms, Tribes, Clans fought amongst themselves, there was no international organization like UNO to initiate peace or tame any warmonger. Democracy was not heard of in the ancient world, common people were at the mercy of Kings, despots, tyrant, etc. People suffered from famines, flood, drought, epidemics and other natural disaster without any relief. Cannibalism was prevalent in many parts of the world. Religion was limited to nature worship, idolatry and rituals. Things like human sacrifice, sex, amputation etc were a part of religious rituals. Spirituality was never taken seriously by the common people of the ancient past. Priest and religious leaders interfered in matters other then religion (social, political & domestic). Vices like greed, jealousy, anger, nepotism, infidelity etc were also there in the past. Further, we have remains of civilizations relating to Egyptian, Sumerian, Chinese, Indus Valley and others which does not give any proof of a pure & prosperous group of deity worshippers (Sanatan dharma) who ushered in an era of worldwide ‘Golden Age’.

In short there was no such ‘Golden Age’. We had problems in the past and also in the present; only nature and type had changed. Man had sinned in the past and also in the present. Man had committed crime in the past and also in present. A false hope is given to the people that they will have a rebirth in the Golden Age as prince & princess by merely doing MEDITATION & GOOD THINKING inside your bedroom.

Now coming next to the symbol of swastika as a representation of Time Cycle we need to look at the history of the symbol. Nobody has been able to trace the origin of this symbol (from the historical point of view). This symbol was used by many cultures of world with different meaning attached. Many people believe the symbol originated from India, but there are enough evidences to prove that the symbol was used in other culture simultaneously also. Earliest evident of symbol can be found with the samarra culture (4000 bc) followed by Mesopotamia, Indus Valley and others Some cultures refer this symbol to 4 season, some to the 4 elements –sun, wind, water & soil, some for Aryan supremacy etc. The symbol is named as ‘wan’ in china, ‘fylfot’ in England, ‘Hakenkreuz’ in germany, ‘tetraskelion’ in Greece and ‘ swastika’ in India. The Indian word ‘Swastika’ in Sanskrit means ‘good to be’ or ‘all is well’. The use of this symbol is discontinued by most cultures but still extensively used by Hindus, Jains & Buddhists. It first appears in the eastern world around 2500 BC in the Indus Valley Civilization. It rose to importance in Buddhism during the Mauryan Empire and then in Hinduism with the decline of Buddhism in India during the Gupta Empire. Swastika is one of the symbols of Hindu deity Vishnu and represents the Sun's rays. It is also considered as a symbolic representation of Ganesha, in Hinduism

The point I would like to make is that the symbol had never meant any ‘time cycle’ or ‘epoch’ in any culture. This symbol was loosely available throughout the ancient world and every culture had used & interpreted it as per their understanding. Similarly BK made its own interpretation for ‘Swastika’. More likely to draw the sentiments of the common Hindu’s who have a attachment to that symbol


Bk 3 years ago

Listen u Maxjewel whatever ur real name is if u dnt knw abt Bk then please shut ur dump mouth ok and what ever u have said that u have been touch with bk etc etc .... its all FAKE ok and who the hell are u to talk abt Hinduism and first of all u have to know abt ur religion ok and then only u open ur dirty mouth ok this is my first and last warning!!!!!!!


maxjewel 3 years ago

Then what ????


chirag patel 3 years ago

One humble suggestion.

Try the concept of Brahma Kumaris. If feel any positivity, then believe blindly. If feel negativity, simply dump it.

(I am follower since 16 years, I feel positivity and strength in my mind, so I feel knowledge is trustworthy. Still I respect thinkings of all human beings. Why should we quarrel with each other. After all we are here to increase happiness of each other and remove pain of others.)

Thanks for reading this.

Scientific Officer, Bhabha Atomic Reasearch Center, India


@ True Message 3 years ago

Dear BK Friends,

I had posted this below message two months before and now I am posting the same again for your answers if any……………..

I have following questions/Queries and I am searching for answers from Brahma Kumari team. i went to BK centre many times, they could not even clarify one question out of below….can someone of you tell me the answer with proof.

Please reply my questions only if you have true authentic supporting documents regarding the same otherwise not. Please find my Questions are as below:

Before the questions, i want to tell you about me. i am true believer of Almighty GOD. I believe that GOD has never revealed any shape to humanity, GOD is unborn , does not have any parents, wives, children, relatives etc, he is the alone who create and he is wise and all seeing. i strongly respect and believe his all Prophets (PBUT) and his last messenger Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). I strongly believe in holy books, Veda, Bible and Quran. Quran is the last revelation of GOD to Humanity as per Almighty GOD message understood in these scriptures. if you read these holy books, you will come to know much more than what people are teaching you in BK or any other such centre.

pls find below questions:

(1) BK Claims on God coming inside human?.. Book revealed to Lekhraja Ji?, Prophesies in holy scripture?,........there is no supporting scripture revelation from GOD with Brahma kumari’s but they still claim without any fact......there were lachs of Prophets in the world and many of them, we also know from the books like Bible, Quran etc. they also never claimed these kind of stories. The biggest fact is that all the great prophets and all great revelations were always prophesized before the coming to this world in Veda, Bible, Quran etc. but BK Lekhraj Ji is nowhere mentioned in these great revealed scriptures of GOD…….and Lekhraj Ji claimed something which other great prophets also did not claimed…..so how can you believe Dada Lekhraja JI?. . Actually Coming of GOD inside human would be the greatest incident of human history, isn’t it? so why it’s not been prophesized before in Holy Scriptures? DO you feel GOD was not aware of this? God is all knowing and all seeing if this was to happen in future, it should have been there in scriptures as GOD had described all great incidents in holy books before it occurs so that people know the signs but BK claims is wrong that’s why its not in holy scriptures…. (Peace and blessings of GOD be on all the prophets)…… There was no clarification/proof from BK people on Book revealed to Lekhraja Ji?, Prophesy in holy scripture?, GOD coming inside Humans?

(3) Enlightenment claim of BK Lekhraja Ji?....there is No revealed Holy book given to Dada Lekhraj Ji....All the great Prophets got Holy Book from God which was revealed to them but BK is claiming something without any holy scriptures/revelation,. If you read Bible and Quran, it clearly says that many such people will come in future who will claim lots of things but they will not be right ......true claims can be always supported by scriptures available which talks from the creation of universe to the Kayamat (end of world)....Every great incident in human history were prophesized before itself …like coming of Prophet Jesus (PBUH) , coming of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH), coming of Shree Krishna Ji (PBUH), coming of Buddha (PBUH) and many more …………surprisingly Lekhraj Ji is nowhere seen in any of the holy scripture? …only his own claims are there with BK….

(Peace and blessings of GOD be on all the prophets)

(4) Brahma Kumari talking about the tree where they show Brahma as Dada Lekhraj Ji and shows prophets and many other saints/Peer/Great souls etc.?....there are many many mistakes in that tree including the religions founder mentioned there ....including the time mentioned there ...including the people representation mentioned there ...and how many to write here ....many more.....so if it was revealed from GOD then there should have been truth not mistakes? …….As there are many many mistakes its not possible to mention here but I am hereby listing some mistake mentioned in the BK tree for your information:

(i) Founder of Islam: BK mentions Prophet Abraham (Ebrahim - PBUH) as founder and call it forced religion – its wrong – please read Quran, you will come to know that the Islam founder is no other but GOD himself who says that this was the deen followed by ADAM and by Abraham and by all the prophets and the same I confirm through Prophet Muhammad to mankind – “Islam” is Arabic word which means submitting your wills in front of one true GOD and acquiring peace by that . In humans, if you want to say any founder then that would be Adam himself, the first person & so we all become ISLAM followers … and followers of Islam as Muslim ....now tell me how do you justify this error in BK tree? ..also there is mistake in BK tree about date of his coming? Date mentioned in absolutely wrong? Pls read history, Read Bible, Quran, you will come to know that Prophet Abraham had come very initial stage of human history.

(ii) Dada Lekhraj JI /BK Talking about the religion formed by OTHER Prophets:

Dada Lekhraj Talking about the religion formed by the Prophets? big mistakes by Brahma kumari in explaining and representing this .....did you know Christianity was not founded by Prophet Jesus (PBUH) as he was not to found any new religion or kingdom when he had come on this earth, its confirmed by GOD in Bible and i can show you verse?...Did you know Prophet Abraham (PBUH) was not the founder of Islam? Founder of Muslim Prophet Muhammad?....please read Quran, you will come to know who is founder of what……ISLAM & Muslim – both are Arabic word. Prophet Muhammad was not the founder of new religion or something of his own.. , please read Quran, you will come to know that Allah says in the Quran that Prophet Muhammad is final messenger and is for the whole world so whatever he says is applicable to whole world entire humanity

.. Guru Nanak Saheb was not the founder of Sikhism…Neither he was prophet… please read , don’t go what people know or what people says ...Sikhism name was given much later after his death ...Do you know Gautam Budha never said that Buddhism is religion ....there are many things to say my friend ...many mistakes in BK tree….. (Peace and blessings of GOD be on all the prophets)

(5) Lekhraj Ji talking about the cycle of re-birth?....absolutely wrong because this is concept available in later stages books of Hindu religion.....No prophet of the book spoke about it and prophets (PBUT) spoke only of resurrection ....infact veda support to resurrection.. For no doubt Quran and Bible support resurrection not re-birth cycle as explained and understood by Brahma Kumari's by taking.reading the stories available here in India & some other influenced area across the world...even logically also this is absolutely wrong … if life cycle of BK was true then GOD would give us the power to remember our previous life’s story and we would not repeat any such thing which is wrong but there is nothing like this ….. pls remember that its one life my friend, one chance only, GOD has given the revelation through the prophets to follow, whoever follows the commandments will enter the paradise and others to Hell.. GOD is all wise, all knowing what he will that will happen. ..

(6) dada Lekhraja talking about the life cycle of 5000 years?.....my friend you may be knowing or may not be knowing there are blunder mistakes in all these explanations and claims in BK....please read Veda Properly, read Bible and read the final revelation to humanity Quran, you will come to know what’s the truth….. you may be knowing that SUN also has its life …and will vanish one day (mentioned in the Quran as well) ….…and the earth as well….so what does BK Says about it… then how does there life cycle goes on this earth?......BK story ends here … now where is your source of light beam which you call GOD for concentrating?....if that light was GOD then why your BK great people’s every statement becomes wrong whatever you people made yourself other than the statements which BK people had stolen from the h


@ True Message 3 years ago

(6) dada Lekhraja talking about the life cycle of 5000 years?.....my friend you may be knowing or may not be knowing there are blunder mistakes in all these explanations and claims in BK....please read Veda Properly, read Bible and read the final revelation to humanity Quran, you will come to know what’s the truth….. you may be knowing that SUN also has its life …and will vanish one day (mentioned in the Quran as well) ….…and the earth as well….so what does BK Says about it… then how does there life cycle goes on this earth?......BK story ends here … now where is your source of light beam which you call GOD for concentrating?....if that light was GOD then why your BK great people’s every statement becomes wrong whatever you people made yourself other than the statements which BK people had stolen from the holy books like Quran , Veda and Bible?

(7) claim of heaven/Hell on earth?....Bible, Quran, Veda give such great description of Heaven and hell at many places in many verses that even if you tell to blind person he will understand this description and the description given refers to some other place which is not on earth .....but BK people says its on earth only and the change happen on earth only ..Great blunder of BK….earth itself will not remain for forever ….if GOD wills he may make it again or not …there is no description as such in scriptures for making the earth again….

(8) BK says god as Bindu/light………..: this is great mistake which BK knowledgeable person should realize that NO holy scripture has described the shape of the GOD exactly so how can they relate to anything just like that ….No eyes has seen GOD face to face. NO Prophet of GOD claimed this but BK claims that they see GOD and GOD talks to them & came inside BK people, GOD talks to them? If all this was true, then they should have been great true souls whom description would be given in holy books but its not there as its not the truth……BK should know that there is difference is concentrating on something & Meditating on something, Zikra of GOD, praying of GOD ….you may feel good just by closing your eyes and sitting silent…but that does not mean you are seeing GOD, and GOD is talking to you in light what you see …..

(9) Open question asked to BK Centre team……If you can bring even one sentence/teaching which BK have found and that sentence/teaching was not available before Lekhraj Ji. Also bring witness (authentic details) to it. If you are able to do so, I will agree whatever you say then after …at least please bring even one true line? I want to know something which you have learned and that true message was revealed to BK only. It was never spoken, was never written, or there is some great true miracle, or true holy book revealed to BK people. ….. if BK people says that GOD is one – pls read Quran, Bible & Veda, no one can teach oneness of GOD better than all these books and Quran teaches this message through the book. …. BK people talking about GOD loves us, cares us , we should do good deeds and many more …. Pls read these books, you will come to know in much in depth about all these…

Please help to bring the above questions answers

Its good that BK has understood that there is one GOD but giving any shape again they are doing blunder mistake and also giving wrong description of Prophets they are doing another blunder … All Prophets taught good way of praying the almighty GOD …. Similar to what was commanded to last Prophet. The Almighty GOD commanded last Prophet for final revelation and revealed the final praying method to Mankind through him……

BK friends if you really wants something GOD as you people usually say this statement of serving people……….i suggest you all to 1st do something God for yourself and read holy scriptures, starts learning the truth …then you will be able to find the difference in what you are doing now and what you are supposed to do…. You will learn much beyond then what you know ….. I am also learning, you also learn …. ….

GOD may bless we all and bring everyone to right path...................................

With regards


@ True Message 3 years ago

BK friends if you really wants something good as you people usually say this statement of serving people, dooing good……….i suggest you all to 1st do something Good for yourself and read holy scriptures, start learning the truth …then you will be able to find the difference in what you are doing now and what you are supposed to do…. You will learn much beyond then what you know ….. I am also learning, you also learn …. ….

GOD may bless we all and bring everyone to right path...................................

With regards


maxjewel 3 years ago

Dear True Message

You will never be able to convince the BK by quoting from your own Scripture since there is a difference in perception. They do not believe in your Quran and concept of YOUR GOD and so it is useless to use it as a reference point for your argument. Moreover quoting from multiple scripture had made things more messy.BK people are intelligent enough to know the fundamental difference between Quran, Veda & Bible and the contentious issues related to them and so when you mix them the whole passage becomes worthless to them.

So the approach should be - logic, commonsense, facts Vs belief.


@ True Message 3 years ago

Dear Maxjewel,

i had a huge debate with one of the BK member (my friend) & he took me to his BK centre for open discussion. We went to BK and met one of the BK centre sister. she explained me all what they do but i asked her few questions which she could not answer so she told me that she will arrange a meeting with BK centre incharge..so i met BK centre incharge after few weeks, we had around 3hrs discussion and finally at the end when i put around 4-5 questions to her there was no answer. .....

she told me to try their meditation practice to connect to GOD, i tried that also. …so i understood that what they assume as God is basically a light source and they think that they are talking to it and that light comes inside them..... The problem of their meditation starts from the meditation room itself where they keep Human photographs like Lekhraj Ji photo... …….

i wrote my earlier message mentioning these scriptures (Bible Quran Veda) name as they mention these great prophets (PBUT) names in their documents.... i was trying to tell them the common understanding of scripture.... but i think u r also right they will not agree as they don’t believe in scriptures....for such people, i write below few lines....

Rigveda 10 :71:4:

" There may be someone who sees the words and yet indeed do not see them; may be another one who hears these words but indeed does not hear them"

Bible, Mathew 13:13

" Seeing they see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand"

Holy Quran 2:18

" Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the pacth)"

They are in big dilemma that they are great people but unfortunately they don’t know what they are doing will take them to darkness not towards light…… (except few good things what they are doing)…..

you are right we need to convince them with logics but they should be ready to listen... and should be open for it ... they usually close the discussion by saying and thinking that they are most righteous ....they failed to understand that till date there is no one in BK in its history who could reach some high level of spirituality where many people of other faith have attend time to time across the world..they put great prophets names in thier cycle tree but they dont know about the greatness of prophets (PBUT)itself..they only feel talking good & wearing white clothes is everything.. but this is not true ...still thier message, teachings, understading is incomplete....GOD may bring all to true path, regards'


Paravathi 3 years ago

hasn't shiva baba time and again said that stop looking at people's faults why are you defaming others and doing papa karma??? ... my dear you at least believe that shiv is god and he gives us gyan ....right... how about focusing on your growth... remember the WORLD ETERNAL DRAMA...... and the role each one of us plays including GOD, you and all of us, Everybody has to face the consequences of what ever they do... so reflect, do good you will be rewarded ..by whom??? god. You defame others .... everyone is god's child.. you are going against the wishes of god... So for gods sake stop all this nonsense and focus and connect to god.


@ True Message 3 years ago

Dear Paravathi,

let me 1st clarify to you.. i don’t have any problem in calling God as Shiv (Sanskrit world - Auspicious & Pure) , Allah or Brahma, Eshwar or any other good name, as every good name belongs to God. God is one, i believe but that’s not the only discussion here. here the discussion is also on the practices followed by the people in BK, claims of BK and their understanding of God.

You are right, defaming others is not good if done unnecessarily or for wrong purpose but please remember that same God has said that if someone does/follow wrong things, its is our duty to tell the truth and guide them to right path otherwise we will be also doing a mistake of keeping silence & becoming party of that mistake. You should not condemn anyone unnecessarily but when there is fact involved, we need to tell the truth. That’s what I m doing.

Further you mentioned in bold letters ETERNAL WORLD DRAMA - hope you know the very well meaning of eternal/everlasting/never ending etc. so now I want to tell you that here is the beginning of BK mistakes and the basic mistake…. Pls see below questions?...

By saying worldly life cycle eternal means eternal life of earth, moon, sun etc….right… but Parvathi, it is even discovered by science now that this earth, sun has life and will end one day …..?. So all your life cycle drama get closed.......your 5000 year cycle get closed?.......can you please show me any proof of your this worldly eternally drama before 4000/5000BC?..............why don’t you remember what happened in your last worldly drama (your previous Janma proof)?........ pls don’t tell me people made stories.

Let me also clarify to you…….i am absolutely in the path of the God, thought to the prophets, I don’t require any other ordinary person like you , me or anyone else to teach.

God’s wish is not that you start making any shape whatever comes in your mind and start doing whatever understood by some set of ordinary people. God’s wish is very clearly revealed from the Ages to Prophets around the World.

If you claim, you are connected to God, can you please bring even one sentence revelation to you (or to any one you know/knew in BK) from God and also bring proof/witness to it... the mere beam of light what you see in your Yoga, you call it God??????? That’s where the another blunder begins?....…….

see below some verse for you from the holy books:::::::::

“Thou shall have no other Gods before me. Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in the heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them; nor see them; for I the Lord they GOD am a jealous God…” [The Bible , Exodus 20:3-5]

(2) Shwetashvatara Upanishad chapter 4 verse 19

“Na Tasya Pratima Asti” means “ there is no likeness of him”

if anyone is making image/assuming any image of god in his mind and offering prayers, he/she is doing the biggest mistake. NO human has seen the GOd and there is no likeness of him

(3) Shwetashvatara Upanishad chapter 4 verse 20

“Na Samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam” means “ His form can not be seen. No one sees him with the eye”

frds - again above verse to all those people who say they see God or they say, they are getting revelation/teachings directly from the god himself - all such people then dont know who is true GOD?..

(3) Yajurveda Chapter 32 verse3

“Na Tasya Pratima Asti” means “ there is no likeness of him” means there is no image of him , It further says as he is unborn he deserves our worship

(4) Yajurveda Chapter 40 verse8

He is bodiless and pure

(5) Rigveda Book no. VI, hymn45 verse 16

“ ya Eka Ittamushtuhi” means ”Praise him who is the matchless & alone”

And the Final Revelation to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)

(6) Surah Ekhlas: Chapter 112 verse 1-4,

“Say he is Allah, The one and only; Allah, the eternal, absolute; He begets not, nor is he begotten; and there is none like unto him”

These all above verses explained that No one has seen the God and there is nothing like unto God, he is matchless and only one. ….. But unfortunately in BK, they claim to see God every day and they talk to God every day, such great people in this Kalyug in lakhs and still crime around them on this earth from many decades now????? ………still there is not even one true sentence of BK which has been revealed to BK from God and was not available before BK organization in this world?…… whatever truth available with BK is stolen from the holy books and other their own stories are only lies…… pls come out of this dilemma of seeing God as beam of light?...

God may bring all to right path and have mercy on all…regards’


maxjewel. 3 years ago

Recently a BK person ( a friend of mine) was referring to a crippled person as suffering for his action of previous birth. I found it very offending and disgusting. The same concept is suggested in their official internet site.

Now let us see what is suffering. It is a state of mind. Two persons who are both poor, one is suffering in his mind since he is not accepting the situation and the other is not suffering since he had accepted the situation. If a person learns and adapt to the situation he won't suffer and instead he will learn to enjoy in the midst of that situation. Now, how can we make a general statement that a crippled or a handicapped person is suffering? From his physical appearance? He might have learned to adapt to his inabilities and also he might have learned to extract happiness out of the situation. Now if you keep on reminding him that he is victim of pervious birth bad karma (what karma, he does not know but he is paying the penalty) then that would actually make him suffer. To be blunt, it is a great crime & sin to brand the crippled and the handicaps as criminals of their previous birth. It is like hanging those poor handicaps on a high signboard and writing on top of it "CRIMINALS OF PERVIOUS BIRTH". Are the BK’s using the handicaps & crippled as a kind of brand ambassadors of their ideology? Instead of diverting their (handicap’s) minds from their disabilities so that they can live in peace they are constantly hammered as victims of pervious birth bad karma. They are shown to other people as a threat from not following BK ideology.

The sum total suffering of every man on this world is same. Some are handicap, some are Poor, some are orphan, some become widow/widower at an early age, some lose job, some are thrown away by their children, some see their children die in front of their very eyes, some are betrayed, some lose in business, some are victims of famine & draught, some of victim of war, some are victim of permanent disease, some are victim of loneliness and so on. Every person on this earth has equal share of suffering. They come in different forms in different time. Some suffer in early stage, some in middle age and some when they are old. These sufferings come to us as a test of our endurance and strength of our faith in GOD. Also the suffering of another person stands as a test of our core moral values like charity, compassion, love, kindness, SACRIFICE, caring etc – ‘my friends suffering is a test for my moral values and feeling of brotherhood’ . This world is not going to be a heaven by mere act of meditation but by doing something for the suffering of others. Suffering has nothing to do with any previous Birth; rather it is a test of our endurance and faith in GOD and an opportunity to deploy our moral values. The path to righteousness cannot be by mere ‘meditation’ and ‘Good Thoughts’ in an AC room. The path to righteousness is very narrow and steep and the suffering of others and us stand as hurdles in it.


BK 3 years ago

Dear sister

Muje apka society ko wrong belief se safe karne ka vichar samaj mei athe hai.Jab maine BK's ka gyan suna tha thab muje tho bhahut doubts tha. Uske bare me maine bhi bhahuth sisters se poocha tha.Magar kisi se bhi clear answer nahi mila tha. Magar phir bhi maine nahi choda mujme jo doubts tha uska answer ke liye wait kartha raha tha. Deere deere meri sari doubts clear huva.Aap to hindu se lekar sab religious ka kithab pada hoga.Uske adhar par aap to iss conclusion me tho aa sakthe hai ki jo sathya hai usko prove nahi karne ka hai vo tho apne time per proov hota jayega.Isliye meri request ye hai ki aap open mind se jo bk mai keh raha hai uski bhare mai jaanne ke liye aap aur studies kare tho behthar hai. kyoki jo sari BK's hai usme jarur koi hai jo aap ki sara prashna ka uttar de sakta hai.Ye mera experience hai.Hame bhi time dena padega.kyoki bhagvan ki gar mei dher hai magar andera nahi. Agar aap iss BKIVV ka jo prajapita brahma kehthe hai vo to apni jo pichali jeevan mei parivar mei unki pathni bachho ke sath bahuth achha jeevan bitha raha tha. Apne desh aur videsh mei bhi vo bhahut famous tha.sab logh use bhahuth pyar kartha tha .Usko jeevan mei koi kami nahi tha. Magar jab vo shivbaba ka media bani thab se vo sare logh isko bhahut nafrat karna shutukiya.

Agar koi vyakthi apne jeevan mei than man dhan se santhut hai usko aur kya chahiye.Magar ye sab chodke ke Lekhraj ji ne us vrudhapya mei apni sari property ko iss kary ke liye lagane ki jaroorat kya thi. kyoki ye tho bhargvan shiv ka karya tha.Usne apni jeevan ko ek acchi yogi ke sadaran yogi ke jeekar sab ko example bana.

Agar aap deke tho koi ved shastra puran mei aathma ka parichay yaha BKIVV mei miltha hai iss tharaf clear nahi hai.koi bade bade logh kehthe hai aathma magar uska rup kya hai karya kya hai clear nahi hota hai brain ko intellect kehthi hai,heart ko man kehthe hai aur sanskar ka word use karthe hai.Magar kuch bhi clear nahi hai.Sab sunne ke bad phir hum confuse mei aathe hai.

Apse mei ye nivedan karna chahthi hu ki iss Ishwariy gyan ko ek do din mei ya kuch salo mei aap pura nahi jan sakthe ho.Iskeliye open mind se bhahut time dekar studies karke sath mei practice karne hai. Ye gyan koi likhi huyi gyan nahi hai direct nirakar bhagvan se mili huyi gyan hai. Agar hum apne limited intellect se gyan se ishwariy gyan ka conclusion mei nahi asakthe hai.

Agar muje kuch bhimari hai iske illaj ke liye mai homoeopathy,ayurveda , alopathi, unani sare ke sare try karu tho kya result nikalega. Bura hi nikalega na.Aap bhagvan ke koj me sare darm ke books pade hai isliye apko iss ishwariy gyan samaj mei nahi ho raha hai.BKIVV mei jo aathma gyan aur paramathma gyan mil raha hai kyoki aathma aur paramathma koi cheeze nahi hai usko proov kare.Aathma aur paramathma ka gyan man aur buddi se anubhav karne ka hai.

Sare ke sare BK's including me are not perfect but we are in this journey.Hum sab ek pita ka bachhe hai aur jeevan jeene ki kala ka students bhi hai. Hamse bhi galat hota rahta hai magar issse supreme teacher father shivababa ko na doshi kare.Ek gar ki sare bachhe ek jaise nahi ho tha .Meri humble requeat hai ki aap ko aur iss gyan ki gehrai janana hoga jab thak aap ki jo doubts hai us sab ka answer mile aur clear ho jaye.

Thanking you, Om Shanthi.

BKIVV mei hamd


maxjewel. 3 years ago

Dear BK

Whatever you have written is all vague. You are saying that after for a long time you got enlightened with some final divine answer. Even I have waited for a long time to get to a conclusion. The only difference between you and me is that you have slowly slipped into self-hypnotism & self-indulgence. You have lost all your sense of logical judgement and you have been mesmerised. And in my case, I never accepted anything without proper reasoning and validation. Inspite of all your acquired divine knowledge non of you have been able to give a logical & satisfactory answer to my statements.

Please do not try to convince me that your lekhraj was a prophetic figure. For me he was nothing more that a pathetic, greedy and a money-minded business man. In other words he is just a wretched 'Baniya' for me.

Do you expect me to believe that out of the vast ocean of humanity GOD had selected a 'Diamond Merchant - Baniya' to reveal to the world the 'ultimate divine truth'. Nonsense, it is better to go to hell then believe in such heresy.


Maas 3 years ago

Listen You bitch Maxjewewl I think so you are a orphan aaj k baad agar tune Shiv baba aur brahma baba k baare me galat likha toh me teri maa chod duga lavde k baal bhosdikay randi k paidaish bahot tune dimag ki maa chod di hai ab bas hogya aaj k baad agar mene tera ek bhi comment pada toh itna yaad rakhna ki agar mene tera pc hack kar diya aur tere ghar par bhi poch sakta hu main aur jis din tu muje mila us din teri ZINDAGI ka aakhri din hoga teri laash ko tere gharwale bhi nahi pehchan payege Bhosdikay Randi ki aulad chinal ye samjle samjana Lavde k Baal


Sunder 3 years ago

Why should we all debate on a topic which we ourself have less knowledge. Eat the mango and dont count the seed if you can. Debating on any issue is very simple. Anyone who is getting benifitted, continue. The rest may think of getting peace of mind somewhere else. Who is stopping you.Stop criticising.


bk 2 years ago

Om Shanti

Relationship with God

Meditation has been described as the process in which I listen to God. In contrast to that, prayer is sometimes described as the process when I speak to God. To speak to God is very important, but it is also important to let the mind become quiet, stable and open to receive whatever God wishes to say to me. Sometimes we may feel that God is so far away, so far out of reach that it is impossible to have a living relationship with God. We may be contented to just perform rituals, devotion and prayers, or perhaps even lose interest in the subject of God. But it is only a question of time until we come to the point where we say, "Well may be God exists", or "Maybe He doesn't". Without focusing on the inner aspects of religion and spirituality, or on any way of reaching out to God, we have lost that inner experience and strength needed in our lives today.

When a pendulum reaches the end of its swing, it begins to swing back in the other direction. We have been experimenting externally with the things of materialism within a consumer society, and the pendulum of these actions has swung so far as to hit the wall. It is unable to go any further in that direction. The pendulum now has to swing in the other direction. This is why people are again rediscovering the beauty of spirituality, the joy of meditation and the appreciation of the need for a spiritual relationship with the Supreme.

Meditation is very simple. It doesn't require years and years of study and practice. In fact, it can be learned within a few minutes, but we will be able to receive complete benefit to the extent we are interested and aspire to practice meditation. The process of actually understanding the technique of meditation consists of a few simple steps.

The first step: Interest in meditation. I will be interested when I have experimented with the things the external world has to offer and realise that these are not fulfilling the needs of the spirit.

The second step: Create time and space. When I consider something to be important or essential, I cut out other things to make time for it. In the past people used to feel that meditation was a luxury, either for those with excessive leisure time or for people who were old or retired and had nothing else to do. Today I see mediation very differently. I see meditation as the mechanism for survival. We are facing a very uncertain future. Meditation is definitely a method to enable us to survive in today's world. So let me recognise its importance and give it time. Even little children today say how busy they are. Everyone is busy in something or the other. It is very easy to shrug the shoulders and say, "Look, I am very busy. What can I do?" But when I recognise that it is essential, I will make a space for it.

The third step: Study. A certain amount of information is required and is obtained through study.

The fourth step: Practise.

The fifth step: Remaining in a good atmosphere, with the right type of friends, free from any influences that may pull my mind in a direction contrary to the direction that I want to take. I have chosen to meditate and I have also acquired some instruction. Now I understand I am a soul and not this body. I sit comfortably. I begin to focus my attention here on the centre of the forehead and I see myself as a soul.

In addition, meditation means silence and solitude, not necessarily isolation but inner solitude. Meditation is very much a training to be able to focus inward in order to live life in the way it should be lived. This type of meditation is not something that I practice a few minutes morning and night. I have created a pattern of consciousness, an awareness of my own spiritual identity. I stop identifying with the things of a physical body, and begin to understand my true identity of that inner being. So as I walk, talk and move, I make sure that my vision of others is also spiritual. It means I am not seeing others in terms of gender of man, woman or in terms of your age, nationality, physical background, social status, education or occupation, but I am now seeing you, a soul as my eternal brother. Even though the soul may be in a male or a female body, we describe the soul as brother and we describe the relationships within the world in spiritual terms as being a brotherhood.

When I see you as a spiritual being, my attitude towards you change very quickly. I find that those physical divisions and blocks that divide or obstruct, no longer exist. But the vision of the soul, seeing others as souls and the interaction on the level of soul to soul creates a natural sweetness and respect within my behavior. This experience reaches to the state where every exchange between human beings gives happiness and joy and brings each other closer to God. As I practice this awareness, during the day, of being a soul and seeing the soul, then when I have a few minutes to sit quietly, within one moment, with just one thought I am able to experience a very natural and easy detachment from the consciousness of the body. I am still in this world of matter and in the bondage of matter and yet I am free from this bondage.

In this awareness of I the soul, I want to go further. I want to experience a connection, a relationship with God. Just as there is knowledge and awareness of the soul as a being of light, there is also very simple information about the concept of God, as a being of light. Not a physical image, just simply a being of light. One who is absolute, absolute in truth, absolute in beauty, purity, love, peace and bliss. This is why I want to be able to connect with the Supreme. On a human level the closer the relationship with someone, the greater the influence. Remember the days of your childhood, of adolescence and maturity and you will see the truth of this.

The deeper the connection with someone the greater the impact they have on the way you think, behave, sometimes even the manner in which you speak. We pick up words, accents and concepts from each other. We begin to talk the same. Certainly we then begin to think the same. This may or may not be good. We often subconsciously choose our choice of food, our style of dress etc. or we just get carried along by circumstances. Much later we may detach long enough to look at ourselves and say,: "That period of my life was good. I had very good friends and they were able to help me in the positive direction". Or perhaps we may say, "That period of my life was not as I wanted it to be, because the friends and the company I had weren't as positive as they could have been".

In a similar way, the good company of God is also able to influence us. The path of meditation is a personal and conscious choice to form a relationship with God and to experience this positive influence. As I turn my attention to myself, the eternal soul, I consciously detach my awareness from this physical body and I focus my mind on the awareness of God, a being who is Supreme. Being in the presence of God, I experience a very beautiful discovery. This is a relationship I had ignored, forgotten or been searching for a very long time. Certainly I hadn't actually been enjoying the experience of that connection.

Someone once described how before finding an accurate method to actually connect with God, she had felt so much love for God. She described it as having pen friend. Some of you may have had pen friends to whom you have been writing letters for many years. I know I did this for many years during the early years of my teens, but we never had an opportunity to meet. I had built up an image in my mind of what she must be like, not just in terms of appearance because we had sent photographs to each other but in terms of how she was as a person. When the opportunity came to meet her it was fascinating, because certain aspects of her I could identify within terms of what I had thought about but there were obviously other factors of her personality I did not know as they were never expressed through letters.

It was a whole new


sahil 2 years ago

junaid you are write,aap ne sahi likha hai,jis cheez ki knowledge na ho uske bare mai bolna nahi chaiye


Maxjewels 2 years ago

There are 2 ways to conceive and approach God. One, as an external reference and next as one’s own created idea and imagination. A practical example – 2 sailors in two different boats in the middle of an ocean, both have a sextant. The first sailor does not see the stars because of clouds whereas the second sailor sees the stars. The first sailor has to use his own imagination, experience and effort to get the directions and position but the second sailor will make out his position and direction from the stars (reference point). A prayer is done when God and his Laws are an external entity or reference like the second sailor. The act of meditation comes when you need to understand God within yourself and by yourself like the first sailor. People who pray do not need to understand and realized God on daily basis. They have their standard scripture to give spiritual and moral guide and they have their external & personal God for divine blessing and spiritual support. Prayer is done when you ask and beg from God and not extract from God. Prayer is done with all humility and submission. As human we can pray but ‘giving’ is God discretion based on our sincerity, morality, faith, obedience etc.

No matter what spiritual and philosophical explanation we give for meditation but scientifically it is an act of preparing one’s body and mind for focusing on a particular point, Idea, concept etc. Meditation is not only related with spirituality. Even corporate employees meditate to get more productive, Japanese warriors meditated before going for a ‘kill’, students meditate to get better result, sportsman meditates for better performance . Meditation prepares your mind to construct your own imagination of GOD and his dimensions. As prayer is done in a state of humility and submission, meditation is done in the state of mental & physical bliss. You pray when you consider God as Mightier, Giver and you are at his mercy. You meditate when you consider God as Equal, Passive and a heap of energy from where you can scoop out without permission. It has been medically proved that during meditation blood pressure decreases, your heart rate decreases slightly, your breath rate slows, oxygen consumption drops by 10 to 17 percent and your muscle tension decreases. These leads to a state of deep relaxation - mentally, emotionally and physically which is often understood and interpreted as spiritual state or getting linked with God. It’s an illusion and not a reality.

Meditation based faith have some common trends.

1) They are constantly evolving and core philosophy keeps changing with time. This happens since it is mind base.

2) Deities get replace and their order of Importance changes. New deities get introduced or elevated as per the evolving thoughts.

3) They do not follow a standard scripture. They depend on Gurus and transmitted messages through their leader. Even if they have scriptures those are basically used as blackboard to be written and erased and freshly written.

4) Divine messages are often revised and resend as per the need of the hour.

5) Tendency to include one’s experiences and religious background to create his own image of God.

6) Tendency to protect one’s own interest. They often come up with ideas whereby you can protect you wealth, position & importance on one pretext or the other.

What use is of a God who has to be understood and approached daily only through meditation? If God is almighty and active than he can be approach anywhere and anytime and in any situation. I might need god when my ship is sinking, I need God when friend is dying, I might need god when I am interviewed. Now do you expect me to meditate inside a sinking ship or inside a morgue or inside a Managers Cabin? God is approachable in any situation and any time and with same intensity. It cannot be like a rocket launch where we have to calibrate our physical and mental parameters to approach Him. If God is eager to help us, reach us, bless us then he is already there at our doorstep, we only need to reach out our hand and express our need, our worries, our sadness, our joy etc.


common man 2 years ago

Confused


common man 2 years ago

Any body who is giving positive energy are great. Human mind is beyond energies.. the thought process are really great. How can one easily became Hypnosim or victim of that. Mind knows what is correct and what is not. then where is the question of becoming victim. Get good knowledge from pious people ( mainly elders) and go on. IF we're weak then we are weak, if we feel we are strong then we are strong. its all mind game. So, always please believe in your righteous religions, parents and grand parents teaching and enjoy the life.


vishal makhijani 2 years ago

OM SHANTI.GOD BLESS ALL.JUST WANT TO SAY ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS THAT GOD HAD COME.PLEASE COME AND MEET YOUR FATHER.PLEASE DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME BCOZ HE IS GOING VERY SOON.VISIT YOUR NEAREST BRHAMAKUMARIS CENTER.


Angel 2 years ago

where there is good..u will always find bad....just as where is God..you'll find people who can even pretend to kill God...the person who has posted wrong things about brahmakumaris will surely get against himself later when he will realize that he has shown such a disregard for His Father ,THE SUPREME SOUL , GOD SHIVA..by posting such bad article in the name of brahmakumaris which is the only university which shows us the ultimate right path to meet God and your inner self ..and i think u have not met yourself only...why are you misinterpreting such about others ..still GOD is so great that He will bless u ...


B.K. Avaneesh 2 years ago

To studying all above comments my certainty & belief in BABA, DRAMA & in MYSELF becoming deeper and stronger than before.

because baba has already informed us that "meethey bachche, it is also fix to appear so much dirty activities, behavior and words in edge of doom" time is testing us now, no matter of worry everything is going as per fixed drama & part.

"NOTHING IS WRONG, ALL IS ALWAYS WELL FOR EVERYONE"


maxjewel.. 2 years ago

One of the concepts given in BK is that no souls were created nor will they be destroyed. Now if that is the case, the population of the world should have been more or less constant throughout history, but then according the general estimation the world population grew as follows.

10000 BC 5 million

1 AD 250 million

1800 AD 1 billion

2000 AD 6 billiion

The question is from where did all these new souls come from? Since they were not created, were they stored in some heavenly godown? If so then why are those souls sent to earth at this ‘Sinful Age’? A person born in the Golden Age will obviously do good things whereas a person born in this Sinful Age is forced to do sin/crime because of circumstances and surroundings. Who is responsible for their transgression, they themselves or ‘The Supreme Soul ‘for sending all of them at the wrong time?

Also, it would mean that some souls started their cycle in the Golden Age , some in the Silver Age, some in the Copper Age and most in the Iron Age (as population increased). A person starting his cycle in the Golden Age does all good things because of the surroundings and circumstances which gives him the ‘Good Karma’ advantage. Moreover he collects all good ‘Sanskar’ in his soul because of the ‘Age’ factor. All these would give him an advantage from the point of karma & dharma. But people starting their cycle at the later ages will be less fortunate. A people starting his cycle in the Iron Age is the worst affected. He lands in a time where there is war, poverty, disease, crime, immorality ---- and so on. It is obvious that he would be doing things to adapt to the situation which then affect his Karma, Dharma, Sanskar etc. One could easily see the underlying inconsistency in the concept from the fact that unequal situation were there for people belonging to different ages.

Ask yourself- If you are God or Supreme Soul would you have done such unjustified plan for mankind. Are these not fallacies of human imagination which does not have any logical, historical and scientific basis?

God, Soul, Heaven, Hell, etc are beyond our human capacity to measure, understand and interpret. Any religion which has an obsession for measuring, understanding and explaining the dimension, position, size, nature of Divine things is basically a RELIGION MADE BY MAN.

Instead of understanding and measuring God like a test tube experiment accept him as your Creator, Master, Comforter, Designer and Judge. Surrender every part and moment of your life to Him for He can give you what your soul and heart seeks which no ‘Karmic Law’ or ‘Dharma law’ or any other law in the universe can stop.


50% BK 2 years ago

I believe everything in BK except 1. That there is 5000 years. What about dinosaurs, and things that maxjewel said


@ True Message 2 years ago

Hi...,

My job is to confuse you guys. If you went out of the BK so

i would feel success.


angel 2 years ago

m strongly in favour of PBKs......1 day dey r surely goin 2 revel d truth....n BKs wont b able 2 do anything other than just watchin d play!!!!!......dis courrupted BKs pata nai kitna bank balance bana ke baithe ha.....bas public se paise batorne mai lage ha....itni himmat ha tho samne aake q nai ladte ho AIVV walo se....after all kauravwo ka vinash nishchit ha...d comin time wil prove who is rite n who is wrong..!!!!


angel01 2 years ago

m strongly in favour of PBKs......1 day dey r surely goin 2 revel d truth....n BKs wont b able 2 do anything other than just watchin d play!!!!!......dis courrupted BKs pata nai kitna bank balance bana ke baithe ha.....bas public se paise batorne mai lage ha....itni himmat ha tho samne aake q nai ladte ho AIVV walo se....after all kauravwo ka vinash nishchit ha...d comin time wil prove who is rite n who is wrong..!!!!


Bk 2 years ago

abe a angel teri maa ki chut madarchod chinal randi tere ko me bech duga samji na madarchod beta abhi toh tera time kharab ayega tu jo koi bhi hai jis din muje malum pad gya ki tu kaun hai us din me dekhuga nahi k tu aadmi hai ya aurat tere ko jaga pe kaat daluga talwar se samji tere aur tere poore khandan ko khatam kar duga sami chinaaaaaaal aaj k baad BK k baare me galat boli toh teri gaand maar duga.


Bk 2 years ago

Listen u True msg frm nxt tym i dnt want to see ur any msg otherwise i f i will find u then u r gone i will not leave u and then ur SOUL will REST.IN.PEACE ok u bustard u mother fucker


BK 2 years ago

aur ha 50% wala jo bk hai usko bhi abe teri maa ka bhosda teri maa ya tere baapne bhi kabhi dekha hai kya dinosaurs


Bk 2 years ago

ha saale 50% bk are madarchod bhadve ki nasal tu hai na apni maa se puch ki jab teri maa ne uski chuuuut me se nikala jab tere ko tab tu 50% nikla tha ya 100% bata tera baap toh randwa tha hai na tere ko tere asli baap k baare me malum hi nahi k tera asli baap kaun ya toh fir teri maa randi thi dono me se ek ho sakta hai aur jawab de muje teri toh me maa chodhta hu rukh beta tu


Tarun 2 years ago

I read all the comments from beginning to end. There have been some major contributors who wrote long threads according to what their minds believe.

No one is wrong in that. Infact religion had a very important role in this whole world drama, as the humanity was declining in values, the major religions came and they taught humans good deeds. So we can't deny, but never any of the religious founders called themselves god, they called them the messenger of the gods, and called them god is light.

I also read about the near death experiences. And please all people try to understand, is it possible that 100% of the people who had near death experiences, would talk of a being of light or light of some form whose love they called as unimaginable and unbelievable. This is not an co-incidence, it is the actual truth which a soul only experiences.

The only thing is because this is a very big drama , 5000 years is not a very small time. I mean 1 year = 365 days, that was discovered by humans only at some time. So there is could be a case, the days in an year would be much much more than 365 in the earlier times (Satyuga , Treta). So the dinosaurs query gets resolved with this.

Look all the persons who whether you support BK , or Not, all the religions, and everything teaches us to love each other, and BK's are doing the same thing, so is it a inch wrong in this???????????????????

I love BK's and i have never seen any selfish behaviour from any of them. It is just your own perception which makes you think that they are selfish. Remember ,they are also human beings who are trying to be satvik(pure), that doesn't mean they are perfect, at occasions you might feel they are selfish if you don't like there any act, but still they are humans who are on a journey, they haven't reached there destination.


Tarun 2 years ago

And one more thing, the 3rd world war, how many of the people really think, that it will not happen, i mean think deeply is it possible, that it will not happen.

The second world war happened because of the conflicts between the nations and people. And just see the people now, see their natures , and you think that a world war is far enough? So much is happening, and they have weapons like which just can't destroy countries. So will there anything remain.

Regarding, the earlier predictions in the murlis of BK regarding destruction, may be 1950 or 1999, they were BK's personal views, like if a person follows bK's say for 10 years, and makes his stage very good, he can have that intuition , that the world would end in the next 2 years of whatever, but that can't be taken as true.

Baba has never fixed any date for destruction, if he told everyone would come to the centers. But everyone will accordingly to their parts.

Once baba told about the destruction about Japan, Baba said in that day's murli about the destruction in Japan, and it happened, do u need any more proofs for the truth????????????????????????

Mainly whoever is talking against the BK, doesn't have the guts to follow the maryadas and dharnas of the BK's.

Just imagine in this society where is there is so much lust, is it possible for such a huge number of people to remain pure without lust for so many years.

Lust is such a disease, if you make a firm decision in your mind that you are going to leave it, still it is very difficult, it comes up again and again. So this is just beyond the human power and will because we have accepted it as natural and biological, but it is not actually. So with the power of the supernatural only, so many people are able to remain pure for such a long period of time. It is no more than a miracle.

And also BK's have never been in any conflicts ever, because where there is truth, everyone stands by it.

All BK's have firm faith in Supreme Soul. This is the way to live by loving the Supreme Soul, giving your mind to him, this is the best life you could ever imagine. Please all BK's all comments here are a sophisticated roop of "Maya" , don't get affected by it.

All Brothers And sisters.

Om Shanti!

God Bless All!


maxjewel.. 2 years ago

Now that was a desperate attempt to save the day.

The common slogan of ‘GOD IS ONE’ or “ALL RELIGION ARE SAME’ etc are the propagandas of the hypocrites. They do this to lure people of other faith – this is treachery. Every religion has their unique core theology and philosophy even though their moral teaching might be common to others. If two religions teach ‘do not steal’ it does not mean that they are same.

The common argument given by BKs is that all Prophets are just messengers and not God. They do not believe in Incarnation of God since God is Shapeless and not subjected to ‘birth’ or ‘death’. This concept is stirred by their core theology. If we analyze carefully we find that their Supreme God is passive and obliged, in other words He is not sovereign. A person determines his future (next birth) by his own deed. He attains a better status by act of meditation, good thoughts and good behavior etc. This process is defined by the ‘karmic law’. Logically a person takes all the credit for a better birth. God is just a symbolic is nature like our President. People get connected to Him and draw energy from Him without his discretion. Also men and God are separate for eternity since men is trapped in the cycle of birth forever. Both God & men are helpless against the karmic law. In this scenario Incarnation is meaningless. What would an Incarnated God do if he him selves is helpless towards the karmic law. No doubt God is shapeless and above birth & death but he is the Master, Designer & Creator of all Shapes, Births & Death (if your God is not passive). If a true God really loves & cares for mankind he would take any shape and even go through the pain & pleasure of birth and death so that mankind can live a sinless & righteous life. This can only happen when God is Sovereign, he has a purpose for us, he cares for us and he loves us. Such things cannot be expected from a God which is like a decorative piece – a concept with no real existence.

Another slogan given by BK’s is that other religions have referred GOD as’ light’. This is a very stupid and vague claim. It is nothing more than a cheap Joke. The meaning of the word ‘Light’ differs from religion to religion. To understand this we have to do a details study of all religion. The word ‘light’ might have various meaning depending upon the theology. It might mean ‘Source of Life’ or ‘Knowledge’ or ‘Path to heaven’ or ‘Path to salvation’ or ‘Soul’ or ‘Moral Intuition’ or ‘Soul Giver’ or ‘Source of Hope’ etc. The word is just one of the attributes used to express God’s or Mankind’s divine quality. It is obviously not the core composition of God (except for BK). Only in BK God’s definition is limited to ‘Light’ and hence it becomes the core composition of their Supreme God. Rather, BK’s explanation of ‘Light’ is more physical in nature then spiritual. By saying physical I mean such statement as ‘ Point of light’ or ‘at the forehead’ or ‘Red colour light’ etc. Again they emphasize that GOD is a source of light from where divine energy radiates which can be trapped by a physical act of meditation. Now, apart from being a point of light and source of energy what else can be listed down which the BK’s God can do independent of any “karmic Law” or “Dharma Law” which can translated in action – NON. Why do we worship such Gods who can do nothing for us and who himself is helpless in front of Divine Unbreakable Laws.

(NOT FINISHED) TO BE CONTINUED SOON :::_____


arjun 2 years ago

shiv baba aaa gaye hai , god is one & god is light


jo bhi ho 2 years ago

If u feel gud and harmless to others continue it, otherwise forget it.. Just enjoy life..


maxjewel 2 years ago

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Next , coming to the topic of Near Death Experience (NDE), it is no more a after-life puzzle. Decades ago some people have earned a lot of money by writing books on NDE. Till now no scientific organization has formally accepted NDE as after –life experience. In fact it has been proved that brain continues to function even after a person is clinically declared dead. This post-death functioning of the brain gives the NDE effect. Also, ‘light’ is not the only thing that the person experiences. It includes, ringing sound, transition through a dark tunnel towards a bright light, out of body experience, meeting God/Gods In person, meeting deceased relatives, life-review, traveling through universe & heaven, feeling of unconditional love etc. It has also been observed that these experiences (NDE) are closely related to the person’s religious and cultural background. If you check the site http://www.near-death.com/ you will come across NDE experiences of various person and each ones gives a different idea of God ( by name) , His nature, Creation, Soul, Theology etc. There cannot be varied experiences of God. These (NDE) are only due to hallucination caused by neurological factors. In fact meditation also induces a kind of hallucination effect whereby people see ‘light’ and thinking it to be a kind of supreme God. This is a cheap trick done by some new-age-religion to convince people with their philosophy. Further, after reading all the experiences ( NDE) in the site ( http://www.near-death.com/ ) I have realized that none of them have meet ‘Shivbaba’ rather they have meet other Gods (by their names)

The idea that 1 year is more than 365 days is a stolen argument from the western philosophers. This concept comes from the ‘Book of Genesis’. As per this book the universe and earth were created in some specific number of days. The concept of ‘a day’ comes from earth as a reference point. Since at the time of creation there was no ‘earth’ and hence the concept of ‘a day’ must be different and not 24 hrs. This ‘day’ or “God’s day” is suggested to be more than 24 hrs – may be thousands or millions of years.

But, going by the BK’s theory, since earth existed from eternity hence the concept of ‘day’ and ‘year’ remains same for ages. Moreover the modern calendar (Gregorian) was adopted way back in 15th century AD. BK is very new i.e. hardly 100 years old and hence whatever the so called ‘Supreme God’ has revealed to Lekhraj was as per the modern calendar so that all followers can understand. Even if we take for granted that 1 year was more than 365 days the history of our planet does not fit into the time cycle model , the earth history has a ‘start’ and finally will have an ‘end’ . There was neither ’golden age’ nor any ‘iron age’, morally & ethically it was same throughout the human history.

The presence of Dinosaurs in our past is the greatest hurdle to the time cycle theory. The dinosaurs and other giant animals dominated our planet for a very longtime and humans appeared on this planet long after the Dinosaurs had gone. This proves without any doubt that there was no such eternal time cycle.

TO BE CONTINUED SOON :::_____


venkat 2 years ago

I am a STUDENT OF BKIVV since 30 years and seen the real facts. people should not believe on wrong information spread about this university. don,t be part of bad company. BKIVV is doing better work for every mankind. It is our duty and responsibility to follow the truth about GOD'S knowledge given in this university by GOD Himself .


soul 2 years ago

why the two institutions are having wrong opinion with each other. all are childrens of god when a person gone to aivv bks will not allow hm to continue in ppivv where as aivv says go any where but attend the classes regular as per your account. do batti then only meet vdd. what happends if u do batti.

thanks

soul


AR25303521 2 years ago

PRESTIGIOUS THANKS Like member of Shivan, don't stop to putting truth due to people got real true knowledge of BK and choose wright way. Is is happening, i know that people who read this type of article and got a new kind direction of thinking. People see only what to told them. But when this type of true knowledge read by them? They are in the role of judge, where the both knowledge is present?

And on the statement of shivan as support and truth "kARAT KARAT ABYAS JADHAMAT HOE SUJAN, rASSI SIL PAR AWAT JAWAT HE SIL PAR PADHE NISHAN." Like politics, bad politicians is here and give wrong statement but in crowd, no one can ask any opposite question from them. But, ON THE SOCIAL NETWORKING TYPE PLACES CROWD TRY TO FIND OUT TRUE KNOWLEDGE AND PUT THEIR COMMENT,FELLINGS. WHICH IS THE TRUE VICTORY OF YOUR TYPE REAL HERO PERSON.IT IS NOT MATTER THAT party and anti-paty IS FIGHTING. THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS REMAIN TRUTH. PEOPLE WANT TRUE KNOWLEDGE NOT FIGHT. I THING YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I WROTE. "YOUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE TRUE KNOWLEDGE AND FIGHT FOR THAT NOT TO DEPRESS WITH WRONG THINGS." SO PLEASE CONTINUE ....


pooja 2 years ago

godisonegodshomeisourhomeheismotherandfatherofwholetheworldnoonecanboundthegodinanyparticularsanstha


Believer 2 years ago

I am a Hindu by birth and used to go to temple and gurudwara for 20 years since birth. Jesus healed my injured arm and knee.That is a miracle. Jesus heals aids and cancer. Only Jesus Christ rose from the dead. No other god has been resurrected. The blood of Jesus washes your sins. The blood was shed to cleanse you. Jesus gave me a new heart and took me out of drug addiction and porn addiction. Jesus is alive. He will give you life from your death of depression. Repent of your sins and accept Jesus as your Lord and savior. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish in hell but have everlasting life in heaven. Jesus loves you and wants to make you new. God bless everyone. Jesus is the King of kings and the Lord of lords. All other gods are dead and belong to hell. I am an engineer and didn't believe in God until I encountered the power of Jesus that rose Him from the grave. All other powers lead you to hell. Jesus leads you to heaven. Jesus is the only way to heaven. He is the way, the truth, the life.


jay 2 years ago

please tell about your experience in meditation. are you feeling light. as far as i am concerned. i feel on and off. what is connected means to you.


maxjewel 2 years ago

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Coming back to the subject of incarnation we would look at it from a different aspect. There are only two possible ways God can interact with human being - 1) through an incarnation 2) through a messenger/prophet/guru. In both the cases ‘god’ is depended on a shape for interacting with human being. The shape or body of a human being is indispensible in both the cases. The factor of doubt is there in both the cases. If incarnation is not possible then a messenger/prophet/guru can also be a fraud or a cheat. The truth has to be left to one’s faith & belief. Some people argue that God cannot take shape but unfortunately the same God comes to us through a Shape (messenger/prophet/Guru).

Now the question comes which is more dependable way. In case of incarnation the very soul and spirit of God resides in a body which He himself is a creator. There is only one individual which resides in that body i.e. ‘God’. The body becomes the very source of God’s words. There cannot be any dilution or tempering, and whatever words comes out from that body is true and final. It also shows God’s empathetic nature.

In case of a messenger, a human spirit or soul resides in that body. God uses the soul of the person to express his words. Two entities reside in that messenger’s body –a human soul and God’s influence. There is a dual nature, one divine and the other a human. Due to human factor there is always a chance of doubt or corruption. Because of the human nature a messenger will always be tempted to corrupt the divine words or he might express his own ideas as divine messages. If you are God which option would you choose?

Some interesting contradiction between BK and other faith:-

Islam:- As per Islam Prophet Muhammad was the final prophet from Allah(God). Again as per BK, lekhraj is also a prophet (messenger of God). If we accept Islam’s claim then Lekhraj is lying, else if we accept Lekhraj then we have to forget Islam. Which one is correct? Apart from them there are other prophets (big & small) of recent time whom we cannot ignore. Though the BKs tries to give respect to Islam, but accepting Lekhraj as messenger would be denying the fact that Muhammad was the last Prophet.

Christianity: This is more interesting. As per BK ‘God is Light’. It was revealed to Lekhraj and other leader of BK that God is ‘Light’. It means BKs got the divine knowledge that God is ‘Light’. But, 2000 yrs earlier Jesus ( book of John) claims – “I am the LIGHT of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the LIGHT of life”. Here one person came to know that God is ‘light’ but another person already had claimed 2000yrs earlier that he is the ‘Light’. If both are correct whom should we follow. If Jesus was born after Lekhraj then we could accuse him of copying the idea (murali) from Lekhraj, but there is a GAP of 2000yrs. Obviously BK would argue that God cannot take a shape (body) since he is shapeless. Basically it is not the limitation of GOD rather it is the limitation of BK’s idea of GOD. To reiterate, as per BK GOD is only a light, he cannot do anything for mankind, his hands are tied by the karmic law, he cannot rescue mankind, he is just a focal point of meditation, he cannot create since everything is eternal, he is always separated from humans since humans are trapped in time cycle.

There were and are many people who claimed to be God and Prophets. We need to look into their life they lead, the sacrifice they have done, the influence they had on their disciple and followers, sacrifices done by the disciples and followers for their sake etc.


Believer 2 years ago

@Jay

I cannot describe the experience. It is not meditation. Meditation is what people tell you to do. God doesn't want you to meditate the way men want. If you read the bible, there is no such thing as meditating and finding God. It is called worship. In the book of Acts of Apostles, as the believers were worshiping God in the Spirit, it is written, that the room was filled with a rushing wind and all the believers were filled with different tongues and started speaking in different languages. This is what happened with me, I felt a strong lightening go across my whole body and started speaking a different language, not by myself but through the Holy Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit is the power that rose Jesus Christ from dead and is given to all those who believe in Jesus Christ risen. Jesus is alive. I even saw visions, and I didn't have to do exercises, nor did I felt God in religions of Hinduism, or Sikh, or Muslim or even Christianity. People make religion and customs for themselves. But I worship Christ in the Spirit.God is love, and the love of God set me free from my sin and addictions. God bless you.


Philosopher 2 years ago

All religious preachings are dated and are valid for that period. I have attended 7 days of BK course and find that there are some takeaways. The theory of Atma and Parmatma and Shiv baba appleaded to many in the 1940's as there was communal disharmony, oppressed woman, casteism, World Wars, famines and confusing multiple religious preachers. So the idea of all atmas are equal and there is only one supreme parmatma appealed to many. Also with the world wars there was fear of world coming to an end and we need to be prepared for it. So the preachings then were valid. But with the advancements in science and technology today we understand ourselves and the world better and seek greater insight. Hence the BK preachings should be revised and updated to meet the requirements of the current atamas who seek solutions to many of their problems. God is a biological need and hence all of us seek some solution to our problems from whichever spiritual source. So from every religion we can accept whatever appeals to our logic and discard that which does not. Baba Brahmadev had some ideas brainwave or self hypnosis some of which were simple to understand and helped us in our day-to-day lives even today. It was indeed a new religion but to appeal to the masses it had to be wrapped in Hindu mythology. That was a clever way to sell it. Today the strategy has to change. Everything may not be applicable verbatim.

BK needs to do some innovative thinking to sell and increase their following. Making a better world should be their motto and they have a good committed workforce to do it!


satya 2 years ago

The BK's organisation is some what praying Lord Shiva and advertising the Bhakti Yogam in the world which is good for India. Another stopping marriage is another hurdle to india why because at present the population statistics are showing available of women in India is less than men. so they should not stop marriages. other wise somewhat good for hunduvatwa.


anonymus 2 years ago

why waste time??? when everyone knows we are gettin closer to the end ...sooner or later...om shanti


bk1 2 years ago

followers were not made only based on knowledge but it also require experience and which can not teach or give to anybody without u have spiritual power. All religious followers based on that power not only on knoledge


anup 2 years ago

plz koi v joine na kare yaha par bhagwan shiv k naam ka galat use hota hai sive to mahan hai yaha par jo bola jaata hai o kavi v nahi hoga na 3rd war hoga na kuch bura hoga coz bhgwan to aisa chate he nahi hai plz


krishna gopal shrestha 2 years ago

Dharmake ati glani honese hi shiba baba ies dhartipay pap atmauka pawan banake laijaneke liya ata hai. NOTHING NEW.


arjun 2 years ago

bk bahut say logo ki life barbaad kar raha hai o v bhagwan k naam par jald hi iska end kare gaiy shiv baba


Bk 2 years ago

Anup aur arjun tumhari maa ka bhosda madarchod log tumhari aukad nahi hai BK k baare me bolne ki samje lavde k baal log saale randi ki paidaish jhatu aaj k baad agar BK k baare me galat likha to me tum log ki maa ko chod duga samje madarchod bhenchod yaad rakhna kuch bhi comment krne se pehle..


BK 2 years ago

bk mai gali nahi deya jaata hai bk brother dan gali kiu aap dey rahe ho


BK Mantu 2 years ago

Correct!!! Bhagwan ke bare mein bolte-bolte, ravan ki bhasha kyun bolte ho bhai? Tum agar sachhe BK ho to aaj ke baad ravanon ki bhasha phir kabhi nahin bolego. Promise??


Vishnu Ratnakar Podkar 2 years ago

Quran says that at the end of the era, a new jesus christ wl cm and he wl lead the world in peace. He wl follow quran and pass the msg of real god to all. The new jesus christ is brahma baba and the word quran means voice of god. Brahma baba also follows god's voice as vani, murali, msgs of baba.... Follow him...


maxjewel 2 years ago

Every holy Scriptures in the world are filled with prophecies and predictions. Only few of them have been proved correct till date, but most of them are wild guesses with obscure meaning. Even some religions are void of any morality and humanity they simply survive on prophecies and prediction. BKs are also reputed of coming up with frequent predictions and prophecies. These predictions & prophecies are circulated verbally. They don’t even have the guts to put it in writing for they are themselves unpredictable. Other religions at least have the courage to include such prophecies and prediction in their scripture. Prophecies seem to be of two types. 1) Inter-religion: here a particular religion involves a personality of another religion to prophecies for their own benefit, or quotes extracts from other religions scripture as prophecies for their own benefit. 2) Intra-religion: here the characters of the prophecies are unknown futuristic person and are not borrowed from other faith. These prophecies are intended to be so and they are inspired by some vision, dream or divine inspiration.

Somebody has quoted the Quran’s prediction of Jesus, which is a kind of inter-religion claim. In the same line I would like to quote some bible prediction which is intra-religion prophecy.

2000 yrs ago Jesus himself prophesized about false prophet in the book of Mathews – “Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves”. Was he referring to the BrahmaBaba? (A guess)

Again in the Book of Revelation it is mentioned about a powerful Whore who will deceive mankind. Many will fall into her trap and they will disobey God and his true Commandment. Now, anybody can make a guess that the Whore might be a female leader of BK.

From the above we can see that anybody can make a bombastic claim about anything and any person. It is a stupidity to argue on the basis of prophecies & predictions.

Prophecies are innumerable, conflicting & unrestricted. Anybody can make a claim about any person’s future. There is no rule or law to stop them. The inter-religion claims are more notorious. It is llke holding on to the tail of others to survive. Religions which are manmade and satanic have a tendency to make inter-religion predictions in order to survive and hoodwink innocent people of other faith. Intra-religion prophecies are driven by vision or dream or some divine inspiration. Whether those prophecies will materialize is a different issue. Inter-religion prophecies are planned and designed with a nefarious intention of converting only.


Bk 2 years ago

Lekin Mantu bhai agar kisi ne bk k baare me galat likha toh fir mujse bura koi nahi hoga I Promise....


bulldust 2 years ago

proving the bks wrong does not prove pbks right.

all beliefs and opinions are likely to be distortions, and these groups are lost in fantasyland

if god exists would she really have anything to do with either bk or pbk? they are as crazy as each other, caught up in their own fantasies of patriarchal domination. true spiritual people are not concerned with proving themselves right and others wrong. Such thinking is ego inspired and narrow minded.


BK Mantu 2 years ago

BK bhai, krodh-jeet bhav ka vardaan yaad rakho. Baba kehte, agar koi tumhe gaali bhi de to parvah nahin aur maar bhi khane ke liye tayaar rahna hai. Agar kisi ko samjhane ke liye maar bhi khani pade to ise bhi seva samajh lo.

Now, bulldust, you say BK is lost in a fantasyland. Well, actually BK's live in fantasyland. For this, you have to visit Mt. Abu and experience it for yourself. You may only experience the charm and magic of this place if you are really, really pure outside as well as inside. Whatever you say is true with your perspective. But whatever your thoughts may be, please tell me don't you want to feel in peace, heart full of love, feeling a surge of inner strength and a whole book of real knowledge by yourself? I was having thoughts very much the same as you are having now, but now I feel full of strength and lightness within.Thanks to BK. Why don't you try it out? There is always an escaping gate open if you somehow do not find the BK logic worthwhile.


Amita 2 years ago

om shanti


Navdeep singh 2 years ago

Omshanti baba ji


bk ambika 2 years ago

i heared all commentment, shiv is occean of knowledge , occean of love etc... , may be he giving the advance knowledge because he has say in murali through dada lekhraj " mai patit tan me aata hun" to how to come in Gulzar dadi mai purush tan me aata hu so how he come to gulzar dadi ? so it is correct he has coming in a man and giving advance knoledge. om shanti


vikas 2 years ago

IF Brahamababa married have son and daughter why everybody organigation single. Why they inforce be single and stay away from family. When founder is married how come everybody be single. I don't understan. vikas


sunny 2 years ago

ak dum rite bole vikas bhai yah log kiya karna chata bk kuch samjh hi nahi aa raha hai kitne saare relation khtam ho jaa rahe hay hai bk k chalte


Vis 2 years ago

Dear frnd plz stop all commentin go to youtube and see all video of BK SHIVANI i m sure u will got ans.


Bk 2 years ago

a sunny chal vat abhi aaj k baad koi bhi comment bk k khilaf kiya toh teri me baand baja duga mere ko malum pad gaya hai ki tu kaha rehta hai aaj k baad koi comment mt krna samja na chal teri jaat ka baida maru....


BK Mantu 2 years ago

Are, BK bhai, aap phir shuru ho gaye!!! Gussa achha nahin hai. Log to bolenge, logon ka kaam hai kehna. March, 2012 ki Gyanamrit mein padhna "Krodh se Chhutkara". Aankh khul jayegi. Aasha karta hoon usko padhne ke baad aap apne krodh karne ki aadat ko chhodne par vichar karoge. Om Shanti!!!


Vishnu Ratnakar Podkar 2 years ago

Guys i'm also a bk follower from Kerala. Mein bhi bk ke sath hoon. OM SHANTHI


bk jyoti 2 years ago

whoso ever is using abusive

language here can vist bk centres n can study what they teaches there n then go for a conlusions. bk didis r giving society a good platform to maintain healthy relations everywhere. its up to everyone how they take it.


bk puja 2 years ago

bk maha bakwash hai mai kise trah bahch gi bk chakar say thanks to god


BK Mantu 2 years ago

Bk Puja behen, Aap apne ko BK kahte ho, phir aap bach kaise gayee? Aisi kaun si baat hui jisse aap ko BK maha bakwas laga? Mere khayal se aap ko koi galat fahami ho gayee hai. Aap agar mujhe bhai samjho to asal mein aap ko kaisa experience hua mujhe batao. Main aap ke doubts ko clear kar doonga. Please mujhe ek mauka do behen. Aapne last mein kaha thanks to God. Ab God bhi sochta hoga ki yeh bacchi mere ghar mein nahin aane ka shukriya mujhe hi kar rahi hai. Hai naa?


Bk manoj 2 years ago

Om Shanti


bk puja 2 years ago

mantu bhai mujhe bk mai bahut din say kaha jaa raha tha ki 2012 mai sab kuch ktah hoga 3rd world war hone walla hai o v jaldi hi bum banaya gaiya hai o rakhne k ley nahi hai kaam paap hai saadi maha barbaadi hai par aisa kuch v nahi hua maire jitni v friend hai sab avi shukhi gewan gi rahi hai hai saaadi kar k sab log kush hai bhagwan siv ney v to ssadi key hai dan kise yaha k log saadi na karne ko jor dete hai kumari log hi kiu bk bane agar shanti nd kushi logo ko deyna hai dan to ak saadi sydha v dey sakti hai bhagwan to bahut hi ache hai aap khud history padh kar dekh legey sab ney saadi ki chahe o shiv baba hai chahe o krisan chae o jisus sab ney hi to saadi ki


Vishnu Ratnakar Podkar 2 years ago

3rd world war hoga & its end aftr 25 years. This ws predictd by a guy frm germany fr 200 yrs ago. Mahabharatha also implies this war. Yadavas r usa and russia. They wl fight 2gthr. Pandavars r BKs and kauravas r the ardency in our mind.aftr the war pandavas wl exist.i.e .us.we all bks. Bt its nt in 2012.


maxjewel 2 years ago

The word ‘Peace’ or ‘Shanti’ has become a precious requirement for every individual. It is like a slippery ball which does not come into anyone’s custody. Why is ‘Peace’, ‘Shanti’ or whatever you say is never perpetually available? Why the world still suffers such unrest & misery in spite of such efforts by organizations, countries, religious institution & individual to establish peace and tranquility? To get an answer to all this we need to evaluate our own understanding of ‘Peace’ and what kind of peace are we working for and what kind of peace do we actually need.

The general understanding of PEACE is political & administrative i.e. no wars, no robberies, no riots, no street-fights, no pickpockets, no traffic Jam, no long queues etc. These are the things which disturb the smooth running of our society and in the way disturb us. Most People prefer to relate ‘Peace’ to his or his family’s issues only. They feel that there is no peace if – there is no proper power supply, no water supply, disturbing midnight parties of neighbours, never ending legal cases, not getting admission in school/colleges, Job problem, disobedient children, alcoholic family member etc. The moment you give them a good job, a luxurious flat, successful children, fat salary, good civic amenities, secured house, a peaceful neighbourhood etc they feel that their life is filled with ‘Shanti’ or ‘Peace’. Is this not a selfish ‘Peace’ or ‘Shanti’? Are we not searching for Peace for our own benefit? In most of the religions the search for ‘peace’ is selfish in nature. It’s all relates to ‘Self’ or ‘Oneself’. Here again, meditation plays an important role in instilling a sense of ‘peace’ and ‘shanti’ in our mind even though we are surrounded by unrest. It is a psychological effect rather than a real peaceful environment. Such peace with a selfish purpose or out of psychological impact can never change the world. It can never cleanse our soul nor can it please any real GOD. Real ‘Peace’ will come when we start looking at the ‘Unrest’ & ‘Sufferings’ of others. Real ‘Shanti’ will come when we start shouldering the ‘Unrest’ & ‘Suffering’ of others rather than leaving them to the fate of ‘karmic law’. Real ‘peace’ will come when we make our own life miserable so that others might leave in peace and happiness. You be naked so that others are clothed, You become homeless so that others can have shelter, You be hungry so that others might have a meal, You beg on the street so that the sick can be cured, You open your doors so that orphan and homeless can have a home, You go to prison so that others are acquitted, You take the punishment so that the others are spared. You die so that others can leave. Any religion which sets such sacrifices as the only benchmark can only bring about universal & heavenly peace. Such sacrifices can only happen when there is unshakable faith in a true God and a true hope from a true God.

Meditating in an isolation, wearing white clothes, eating Vegetarian, shouting ‘Shanti’, ’Shanti’ – these are all deception in the name of ‘peace’. Such practices are not spirituality rather it is a form of narcissism. It is very easy to talk volumes about spirituality from ones comfort zone, but it takes a true God & true Religion to make a person carry the weight of ‘suffering’ & ‘misery’ of other. What use is of that peace when your neighbour had silently slept in hunger? What use is of that shanti when your friend is sick & dying? What use of that peace when a man infront of your gate is shivering in cold?

Think whether you are worshipping the true God or is it just a deception which leads us to selfishness, narcissism, spiritual-pride/ego & eternal damnation.


BK Mantu 2 years ago

Dear Maxjewel,

Whatever you said about "Peace" is quite true. I admire your knowledge. In the second last paragraph, you indirectly pointed finger on BK. It is a well known fact, that one cannot make the suffering people free from their misery until and unless they themselves want to do so. We at BK help people get out of their misery. We do not believe in helping out people with food,clothing,shelter etc. We make people believe in themselves which help them achieving their desired result. If we start helping people in accordance with NGO's like CRY etc. we will not be able to cover all of them, and also it somehow makes people lethargic ,impotent and they start relying on these institutions for everything. We are in a sort of chain marketing which starts with GOD himself. This chain of giving the righteous knowledge has been spreading throughout the world for the last 75 years. It is still spreading.

You will admit, that once one comes to know where the seed of misery lies, its then very easy to get rid of the same. Its foolish if we start removing the diseased leaves from the plant each and every time they occur. Rather, it will be wise to nourish the plant with good germicide etc. so that the root cause is taken care of. Tell me if I am wrong.


BK Mantu 2 years ago

Dear BK Puja Behen,

Aap ne to ek sath bahut sare prashna kar dale. Aapke andar itne sare questions hain, jaan kar achha laga. Mujhe lagta hai aapne murli classes bahut jyada attend nahin ki. Jahan tak shaadi ki baat hai, to mujhe ek bhi insan ka naam batao jo shaadi kar ke khush ho. Har insan shaadi ke shuru ke dino mein khush dikhta hai. Kuch dino baad hi pata chalta hai shaadi karke kya hota hai. Krishna ne bhi shaadi ki thi par waha pavitra the. Woh Satyug ke Rajkumar the. Uss samay ki shaadi pavitra hua karti thi. Kaam vikar kya hota hai uss samay ke devi-devtaon ko pata bhi nahin tha.

Aap se meri ek request hai ki please apne kamzor aur darpok friends ki baton mein na aakar, sirf 3 months, murli classes bahut achhi tarah se attend karo. Classes mein jo bhi points samajh mein nahin aaye unhe vahan ki beheno ke sath discuss karo. Phir dekhna tum ko dekh kar tumhari freinds tum par naaz karengi aur tumeh hi theek bataeygi. Om Shanti !!!


Kapil 2 years ago

A pooja teri maa ki chut chinal randi ki paidaish saali teri maa chod duga samji na chal vat abhi idhar se samji na ha me hu kapil jo bk k naam pe comment krta tha abhi bahot ho gaya sabka abhi kisi ne bhi bk k khilaaf koi bhi comment kiya uski me maa bhen ek kr duga paani abhi sar se upar aa gaya hai bas bahot ho gaya abhi.


BK Mantu 2 years ago

Are Kapil bhai, aap BK ko gaali de dete,to bhi theek tha, par Puja behen (Jo BK ke bare mein thode doubts mein hai) ko gaali deke aap BK ki dis-service kar rahe ho. Ab aap hi socho woh to pehle se hi BK ke khilaaf hai, aur aapne use gaali dekar uska BK se vishwas aur bhi khatam kar diya. Bhai mere hisab se aap Puja behen ko sorry kah doge to aap BK ki service hi karoge. Baki aap par chhodta hoon.

Puja behen, mein tahe dil se Kapil bhai ki is harkat ke liye unki taraf se SORRY, SORRY, SORRY kahta hoon.

Aap sab (jo gaali dete hain) ko ek baar main request karoonga ki aap sab apne atma-swaroop mein sthit hokar teen baar "OM SHANTI" kaho. Shayad aap logon ko thoda sukun mile.

OM SHANTI


Max jewel 2 years ago

Dear Mantu

Please try to understand that I am not expressing about organizational principles & rules, I am talking about morality and religion. I am trying to direct our focus on religion at the individual level. I have given a very different path to righteousness and God than the one you follow. My path is only based on faith, prayer, hope, love, sacrifice & service. Your path is Meditation, self-oriented spirituality, narcissism, no-sacrifice & no-service.

The excuses you have given seems absurd to me. You meant that, since your BK center does not have money & attitude to do charity & service you have removed the very essence of brotherhood and sharing from the definition of spirituality. You are saying that people should learn to overcome their problems or else die but we should not help them since they are not worthy of it. You sound like the Cambodian Pol Pot rather than a religious person. Does a leprosy patient or an AIDS patient have a choice unless we help them? Does an orphan baby lying on the roadside have a choice unless we help it? Does a handicap have a choice unless we hold him? Does a beggar have a choice unless we feed him? Obviously we can ignore them on the pretext of “makes people lethargic ,impotent” or in the name of ”Karmic Law” but the fact is that the Greed , Selfishness, Ego of a person stops him from doing all this. This philosophy of your religion is very attractive for rich, self-centered & greedy people. They would love it since they do not need to share; sacrifice and serve to get connect with God. The chain you are talking about is that of selfishness, self-centered, greed & ego. These qualities are spreading very fast and may be that is what is happening in the chain you have talked about. People nowadays do not want to sacrifice, share & serve but they want to get spiritual powers – and the best place to get this ????

The seed of misery is our arrogance, selfishness, ego and self-centered attitude. The Analogy of Plant with spirituality does not fit here. The solution to all misery is love. Not a kind of love by way of thoughts, meditation and behavior. Love must translate into action. The moment we translate our love into action it becomes painful for it demands sacrifice, sharing, service.

It is clear from BK’s philosophy – Misery is result of previous birth action. One has to live with that and are not suppose to be interfered since it goes against the ‘Karmic Law’. Your explanation does not fit with that.


Vishnu Ratnakar Podkar 2 years ago

Return of Jesus aur brahma baba ek hai. For more details visit facebook and like the page 'Vishnu Ratnakar & One God Believers'. I had proved it with evidence. Pls lyk it.


max jewel 2 years ago

@ Podkar

I have seen your Facbook page. It does not prove anything . It is just your absurd wishful thinking. Why don't you put your so called evidences here ( in this page ) and then we can have a discussion in presence of everybody.


BK Mantu 2 years ago

Dear Max Jewel,

You say we at BK don't sacrifice. Well, what do you mean by sacrifice? We have a good list of sacrifices that we have to make when we join BK. Here goes the list:-

1. We take an oath of "Celibacy" from day one of joining.

2. We promise to take only "Satvik" food.

3. We promise not to indulge in any type of fanfare or show off in our day to day life.

4. We take 4 to 6 hours of sleep.

5. We don't speak any foul language or indulge in any type of worthless arguments with any body.

6.We don't watch movies or television or indulge in reading any kind of vicious material.

7.We don't discriminate between rich-poor, black-white, different cast,creed,religion,nationality etc.

Don't you think these are sacrifices? It is a good lot of sacrifices. This is the reason which restrict numerous people joining our institution.

I never said that we lack financially. Only, people who have the guts to follow the above mentioned norms can join us. And one who joins us is guaranteed to enjoy a full stock of peace, happiness, bliss, love, knowledge, power and purity. We believe that anything which is given free to anybody is not worthwhile. The one who gets anything free does not take good care of it.

As regarding AIDS or Leprosy patients, we feel that these are souls with diseased bodies. We first work on the subtle level. If the soul agrees to work on the subtle level (it agrees to keep the above mentioned promises), then only we come forward in helping the soul in any form, be it the body, the financial crisis, some relationship turmoil, or any other crisis.

You will agree that whatever disease (in the body) a soul may have but it always has the strength to decide to change at the subtle level. No bodily disease can let a soul to have an excuse of not being able to change itself in the subtle (soul) level.

We believe in :" If you want to make changes in your self you have to start from the inward". Proper cleansing of the soul will automatically bring about changes in all other aspects.

All religions of the world endorse the "Karmic philosophy". So, what is the big deal. We have a proper explanation of this philosophy. One can always rub away ones negative Karmic accounts with a proper connection with the "SUPREME POWER HOUSE" (GOD). You have to join BK to have an experience of HIS connection.

OM SHANTI!!!


BK RAKESH GUPTA 2 years ago

OM SHANTI DEAR, WELL THIS IS FOR THE FIRST TIME I'M JOINING HERE WITH THE A QUESTION TO KNOW "HOW TO MAKE AMRITVELA MORE INTERESTING". TELL SOME TIPS. WAITING FOR THE ANSWER


BK Mantu 2 years ago

Dear BK Rakesh Gupta

Amrit vela is the time when we meet our own beloved father. He is the father of all of us, He who is the ocean of happiness, peace, bliss, love, knowledge, power and purity.

Now imagine meeting a person whom you idolise. Can that meeting be boring to you? Just imagine. The answer obviously will be a big NO. Why No? Because you have read about that person so much that it seems that you know him better than he himself does. You know all his qualities and abilities, his likings, his struggle to the top etc. The corporate world is giving a "one time meeting with celebrities" in the form of prizes. This has been made possible by the media who expose the celebrity so much that we start to idolize them. Though, we all know that all the celebrities have some shortcomings or other. They are not perfect people.

Now, if we talk of HIM, as said earlier he is the ocean of all virtues. He is vice less. Then how is it that we do not find our one to one with him interesting? This is only because we have not known about him much.

You are advised to read about him as much as you can. You should always keep in mind what he has in store for us that he is more than willing to offer. All your thoughts should be related to HIM all day long. Attend murli classes daily without fail. Take down the notes. Keep it in your pocket and read it daily as many times as you can. In a weeks time you will start getting a surge of power from HIM in Amrit Vela.

Another advice, adhere to the basics: Satvik food, Cool head, Celibacy etc.

If still, you do not get HIM, I am there to help you out.

OM SHANTI !!!


Max jewel 2 years ago

Dear Mantu

Sacrifice does not mean doing things for one’s own benefit. Your so called ‘Good List’ is for your own selfish benefit. It all leads to that ‘Self’. It only uplifts your physical & spiritual ego. It gives you a superficial feeling that you are near God beings. Now let us look at your list one by one.

1) Let us take an ideal situation where every person on this planet had joined BK and slipped into Celibacy, the whole cycle of life will come to a standstill. The race of mankind will vanish from this universe and we will be an extinct species. God never created mankind to get extinct. We were meant to reproduce and continue. The reproductive organs in our body do not exist by freak of nature. They are a gift of god. Now it our test of morality whether we use it as per God’s will i.e. within the four walls of a marriage or against God’s will by indulging in prostitution, adultery or pornography. Even if you physically distance yourself from sex your mind will always drift into sexual thoughts. The more you try the more tempted you will be. By meditation you might temporarily control your thoughts but the moments you are out of meditation mode your mind will hunt for lust. These sexual needs are control by the physiological factors of our body. It is an integral biological process of a body and the brain is the key factor in the process. It would be stupidity to say that one can totally stop this major biological process of our body by mere determination and meditation. If somebody losses interest in sex it mainly because of Impotency, Insanity or Aging. They take the shelter of spirituality to hide their incapability’s. Many religious Gurus have landed in sex scandals after doing years of meditation – such news we often get in the media. It is better to get married then harboring sin in our mind. Adultery in mind is as sinful as doing adultery on a bed.

2) Following a specific food menu to attain divinity!!! You made God a cheap hotel Cook. Does food have anything to do with God who is in control of this whole big Universe? Whatever we eat the body takes the nutrients and throws away the waste. Our body does not distinguish between ‘Satvik–Nutrients’ and ‘NON-Satvik-Nutrients’. Foods have no effect on our soul. Foods belong to our physical world and soul to the spiritual world. Only our actions & thoughts affect our soul and Gods wish. The fact is that you people maintain a specific diet to make yourself feel exclusive and divine. It is only another daily baseless ritual. You people criticize other people for worshipping idols & keeping rituals but you all yourself are maintaining rituals of a refine type. Now what would a person living in ‘Greenland’ or ‘Alaska’ or ‘Siberia’ do? There is no vegetation and he has to depend on meat & fish. Nature and your Supreme BABA had not provided him with Satvik food source. Does he goes to hell for that or does he have to be born as a handicap in his next birth for that? It seems the influence of your Supreme BABA is limited to India and the equatorial region where there is enough vegetation. OR is it a man made religion?

3) The use of word ‘fanfare’ is very vague. Enjoyment or having fun is no obscenity. It is quite natural to for human being to have fun and rejoice. As parents want their children to have fun and play, similarly God wants us to rejoice and be happy as his children. People who make their own concept of religion tries to create some extra-ordinary life-style to pretend to be divine and godly. You are all depriving the people the gift of God to be happy and having Fun. ‘Funfare’ does not always mean going to the brothel and having sex with prostitute. Does going on a family picnic is unholy? Does celebrating your child’s birthday a bad karma? These are only trends of a man made religion to deviate from the natural process gifted by God.

4) Suppose a person sleeps 9 hours does it become unholy? Sleep is a natural requirement of the body to regenerate our cells and energy level. Our body is created by God and with it comes certain biological rules. To go against the rules is like destroying the very gift of God. A thief or a robber does not sleep most of the time since he is always on the hunt for booty or running away from the police, now does he collects good karma for not sleeping? This is another abnormal habit to give the people a false feeling that they are divine.

5) Are you giving a statistic on behalf of all the BK members of this planet (24 X 365 hours) that they don’t use foul language and do not get into arguments? Do you have a video recording or voice recording of all members of BK (24 X 365 hours)? Please keep such bogus claims to yourself. It is not only BK, many people can maintain us cool attitude. Every religion teaches such silly things – it’s not a big deal. Even atheists are seen to be humble and well-mannered. Infact your BK people are more enthusiastic to abuse other religion.

6) This is another vague claim. Does all movies produced till date are pornographic? Are all TV channel broadcasting sex related items? What is wrong is watching a cartoon movie or a historical movie? What is unholy in watching the news channels, or National Geography ? This is not sacrifice , it does not help anybody nor any God. It is insanity. Making such illogical blanket rule is a job of an autocrat. Another sign of man made religion.

7) This statement if a false one. Your philosophy of Karmic Law goes against the very idea of brotherhood, sharing & fellow-feeling.

All this above attributes are not for sacrifice & sharing. This are man made rituals and systems to give a superficial feeling of divinity. You do not need guts to follow the above rules. Some rich business communities in India maintains such rules. They take vegetarian food, they do not take spices , they spent crores on building religious places inside their home, they spent crores on religious ceremony. But they won’t spent a penny for their employees. They don’t even give their employees their rightful wages. Here the question of Guts does not come – it is greed & selfishness under the umbrella of ‘karmic law’. Obviously the people who join your Group are happy since they do not have to bear the burden of sharing, sacrifice and service. Giving somebody for free is not the spiritual test for the person who receives rather it is the spiritual test for the person who gives. It doesn’t matter what a beggar will do once I help him with some money (he might eat, drink, gamble etc), what matters is that it had cleansed my soul with feeling of humility, compassion, love & sharing.

The statement you have made regarding AIDS & Leprosy patient is a double standard one. You are ready to help his soul but not his current requirement. Your explanation does not go with the general understanding of BK philosophy. The simple law of BK is that a AIDS/Leprosy patient is a victim of previous birth Karma. He is not supposed to be helped since it goes against the very Law of karma. He has to join and obey the BK logic to have a better status in the next birth. The use of such bombastic words like ‘subtle’ is only to hoodwink people. Your statement :" If you want to make changes in your self you have to start from the inward" is only pleasant for the rich, greedy and selfish people but not for the poor, sick, unwanted, handicapped …. People.

“All religion believes in karmic law” – now this is idiotic. Non of the western religion believes in karmic Law ( Islam, Judaism, Christianity etc). Only Hindusim and its byproducts (Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism) believes in karmic Law. Infact BK is also a byproduct of Hindusim with stolen concept from other faiths. Bk projects itself as a Monotheism religion by breaking the trinity of Hinduism (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva) and elevating Shiva above all. Karmic Law, Life Cyle , Swastika are all stolen from the original Hinduism. The sources of your murlies are from all religious books and motivational books – only the structure of the literature is changed.


a children 2 years ago

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PURE HEART 2 years ago

SHIV BABA A POINT OF LIGHTTT......LIKEEEE UUUU,,,,LIKEEE UUU....LOVEEE UUUUU.....JOOO MERAAA WOOO AAAPKAAA HAI....I LUVVVV UUUUUUUUUUU.....DUNIYAAA JO BHI KAHEEE MUJHEEE PARWAHHHH NAHI


where2turn 2 years ago

Hi I came onto the net to discover more more about Brahma Kumaris.I live in The Uk.I need a focus and an inner completeness in my life which I now know will not be fulfilled by material satisfaction.I need inner peace and to connect with the soul, I dont know anything abt Lekhraj but I do know that as energy we can find answers within through meditation and be it only meditation but if our focus is on God then could it be through Brahma Kumaris this is achieved??

I have to say the comments above especially the swearing is a disgrace!Who is controlling this site,can ou not block the writer "BK" and stop all this rubbish? If the author BK was trying to put readers off then he has most certainly done that as I am going away feeling worst than I did before.You should be ashamed of yourself BK and your swearing is repetitive and boring!


bk chandrasekhar 2 years ago

omshanti. mere methe shivbaba ... yeh bhi drama me hai..jo ho raha hai woh behavi hai... sab to bani banyei hai.... fir mai qun chinta karun... jo sabka chintak hai bhagwan ... enlight your now ,god promise u he will make happy through out ur every birth..... so b holy b yogi..... tab hi rahoge sada nirogi..... om shanti to all...chahe koi pass ho chahe koi fail....jaisa aapne kieya hai waisha ho raha hai mail.......omshanti to all


nijinsky 2 years ago

the bk's are who they say they are


premila 2 years ago

om shanti iwent baba murali form hindi my email premila215@hotmail.com


b.k.ria 2 years ago

dear brothers and sisters , what bk teaches is not rubbish.....shiv baba has come....i understand that der are doubts in mind but its ok bcoz we never expected God to come in such a simple manner coz d concept that v learnt abt god was different becoz v failed to experience it!!nobody has bind u ,its just u learn to be at peace coz in todays world this is only needed.....


bk ashok 2 years ago

i love u ria bk


Bk Kapil 2 years ago

A bhai ashok tu chutiya hai kya ???? ha harami bk hoke aisi baat kr rha hai kya ye sikhaya hai kya bk me ha madarchod aaj likh diya hai agli baar me mat likhna samja jhatu bahot gaali sunega samja bhenchod.


Raju bk 2 years ago

i have experienced two-faced bk's. bk's who gives lectures....ultimately think that they are god. i have heard a bk saying....'god is in my wrist.....i can make god do wht i want" ......so much ego they have.......so much attitude...i have seen them forcing other ppl to join their nautanki community.....

They do all bad deead and hide behind the curtain of bramakumari institude....


sunny 2 years ago

yes u r rite raju bhai


samajhdar 2 years ago

kapil g aap bk hokar gaali de rahe ho ye shobha nahi deta.kya aap sach ke bk ho aapka gaali dena humare ishwariya parivaar ka naam badnaam karna hoga


BK gayatri 2 years ago

shivbaba paramdhdam se sachh mein aaye hain.shivbaba ko yaad kar ke apne atma ke vikaroko nasht kar dijiye.ye jo bhi comments pass kiye haivo sub apni apni soch hai to is par behes karke koi faida nahi.jo bhi bk ke baare mein wrong sochta hain koi baat nahi aapko baadma pata chalega .aap sab ka bhala jaroor hoga.apne aap ko atma samajh uss param jyoti ko yaad karo.jo bhi bk ke baare main galat sochte hain aap sabhi ko sahi raasta avashya mil jayega.


BK shivani 2 years ago

gayatri ji main aap sehmat hoon.sab ki apni apni soch hai


Kapil 2 years ago

Dekhiye jis ko bhi comment karna hai woh bhale kare par bk k khilaf kisi ne bhi galat likha na uski toh khair nahi samje....


BK 2 years ago

bk ka end jald hai


Kapil 2 years ago

A Bk k bache jhatu kya bol kya rha hai tu gaandu aaj k baad tere zindagi ka END ho jayega.. samja madarchod


bk manoj 2 years ago

aary madharcod kapil dum hai dan saamne aakar bol madarcod tumlogo ka end shiv baba hi kareyga unka galat use kiya hai madarcod tum logo ney


Kapil 2 years ago

A lavde k baal manoj jhatu dum tere samne hi bol raha hu mai gaand me dum hai toh de tera mobile number fir dekh teri maa ko kaise chodhta hu mai smja lavdu chinal k bache randi ......de number de tera .


Ravi 2 years ago

Abe Saale Shankar party Walo. Itne Dino So Sarri Takat laga Di. Tera Vo Virendra Sala Jail Chala Gaya. Tere Asramo me Police ne Red Dali. Saalo ab to badnami karana band kar do. Salo Adhyatmikta ko kalankit mat karo. Bhaduo.


bk manoj 2 years ago

madharcod kapil k bacha kaha rahta hai tu bol tira ghar mai aakar taire ko choduga madhar chod


Kapil 2 years ago

A Manoj lavde k baal chutiye Mumbai me rehta hu smja mumbai me Mira road naya nagar me rehta hu agar tu naya nagar me aa gya toh aaye ga toh chalke par jayega chaar kandho pe smja aaja mere lavde se address du kya?????? mere ko agar tune chua bhi toh tere ko aur tere poore parivar waalo ko kaat k rkh dege smja gaand me dum hai toh aaja tu jaha bolega waha me aajuga saaala kutta bhiari.....


bk manoj 2 years ago

kapil tu fatu bakte rahe tu khud dakh layga ki bk ka kiya hota hai


shyam 2 years ago

just leave the past and concentrate on the good deeds developed those brahma kumaris


Kapil 2 years ago

a jhatu teri maa ki chut chal wat abhi bahot dimaag ki maa chodela hai bahot ho gya tera abhi smja na ainda koi comment kiya na teri gaand har jaga se maruga tere ko kaat hi daluga smja jhatu wat challllll.....


bk rajeshwari 2 years ago

kapil bhai kya aap bk ho?aur agar ho to ye kya baat huyi ki aap baar baar gaaliya de rahe ho.dekhiye hume baba ne kaha ki bahut mitha banna hai. kya devta kabhi gaali dete hai kya bhai.hume follow father karna hai,jaise uss din murli mein tha ki "SON SHOWS FATHER AND FATHER SHOWS SON".agar aap aise hi gaaliyaan doge to duniya wale au rhum bk's mein kya farak rahega.vinaash samne hai aur aap aur paap badha rahe ho.isse bk ka naam kharab ho jayega aur aap baba ke bachhe ho isse to sau guna chadhega isliya nirvikari banna hai.ye duniya wale to aise hi likhenge sanhi ko pichadi mein samajh ayega is ke liye hum apna paap kyo badhaye?I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND.


bk rajeshwari 2 years ago

manoj bhai aap gaali dekar apne aap ko bk kahte ho ye to baba li insult hai na bhai ji?


BK SHIKHA 2 years ago

BABA apne kamal kar diya, hamara sara jeevan apne khushal kar diya

Bapdada ko wohi jan sakta hai jisne unse sachha rishta joda hai. unse kuch mangne ki jarurat hi nahi padti. vo toh khud hi sab samajhte aur dete hai.aage ke 21 janam to bad mein sudhrenge pehla janam to yeh hi sudhar gaya hain AND THIS ALL I CAN SAY ON THE BASIS OF MY EXPERIENCE.


rupa 2 years ago

shikha bahan aap kaha rahti hai


Kapil 2 years ago

Bk is bullshit.


deepika 2 years ago

dvak


deepika 2 years ago

app sab logo ko kisi ki burai karke kya milega jo b.k yeh hai b.k wo h,why app logo ne kabhi socha hai ki jab app ek ungli dusro ki taraf uthaty ho tho 4 ungliya app ki taraf hoti hai,phele apne app ko dekho ki aap uss kabil ho ki dusro ke bare me bol sako,bina kisi chiz ko gehrai tak jane bina unke bare me bolna,apne app ko dhoka dena and apne app ko khud hi mahan sabit karne ke barabar h,app log yeha beth ke jo b.ks ko gali de rahey ho and all agar dum hai tho prove it,roka kisne h,sabko hak hai bolne ka tho awaj uthao and karke dikhao b.ks me dum h kuch tabhi wo karty hai beshk wo jo bhi kare kisis ko acha lagey ya bura.but agar app ko vo chiz pasand nahi tho utho and awaj utao and prove karo ki yeh galat hai and whatever u feel.

bus mujhe yeh kehna hai agar kisi ki bhalai na kar sako tho burai bhi mat karo.....app apne app ko dusro se better janty ho apne app ko pehchano and vo hi karo jo apka dil kahey koi jabrjasti nahi hai.god bless u all.


A BK 2 years ago

Dear brothers and Sisters,

Please do not fight unnecessarily and do not use foul language. It is very much not needed at any context. Everyone is free to express his/her opinion on anything in this world. If you feel, it is inappropriate, please try to educate the other person with proper way/method, if not possible, leave it. Also, there is nothing in this world which is agreed by all the people in the world. So, PPBKIVV is not exempted from it. We BKs know what it is, how powerful it is etc. So, please continue your YAGYA by overcoming all obstacles.

Om Shanti.


deepika 2 years ago


Arvind 2 years ago

if you feel calm, happy after joining BK , what else we want more?. why this fuss of age, founder etc?. ShivBaba is beyond all this. Let us do Yoga, Seva, bring purity in the world. Only BK can bring us close to God.


Chaitanya sree 2 years ago

God is truth and no one can hide him with false allegations. The process has been started and people all over the world will accept the fact. so please be confident and no wars..... Truth is truth and everyone will accept it .


Sharmila 2 years ago

BKs are waiting for end of world from ages and have not proved anything true till now. they are more dangerous then terriorists who can wait for end of world????????? they are breaking families, relations and building new relations with ghosts!!!!! dnt knw what philosophy these useless institute has..............


bk 2 years ago

jab tak aap kisi ko achi tarah jante hi nai to ese comment kese kar sakte ho... or ap unhe follow karke hi unke bare me jan sakte ho.. n jo is tarah ke comment n galat language use karte he wo baba ke bacche ho hi nai sakte... wo ek pareshan aatma hi ho sakta h... jise chen se nind tak nai ati...


Bk 2 years ago

A sharmila teri maa ki chut chinal aaj k baad comment ki na to teri to maa bhen ek kar duga smji na saali keli chinaaal


jony 2 years ago

sale tum sab randi kiaaulad hoo bhen k lodo iss duniya ki 100 randi mari tab tum jaise bhenchod paida hue ek baar samne to aa saale teri maa ka bhosada nahi banaya to mera bhi naam john nahi behn k lodo aao naaa


Bk 2 years ago

abe a jonny lavde teri maa ki chut bhosdikay tu agar teri maa ki chut me se nikla hoga na toh mumbai me aa smja jhatu tere ko kaat k phek dege teri maa bhi tere ko nai pehchan paygi smja saale madarchod 100 baap ki ek loti aulaad hai tu shayad teri maa ko sharam aa rhi hogi tere ko batane ko jaa teri maa ko pooch tera asli baap kon hai....nai malum hai toh bata ta hu main hu tera asli baap... jaa jo ukhad na hai ukhad le mere loude se.


bk vaibhav 2 years ago

pyare bhai aur behnon ....plz dont fight just feel God ... and no abuse lang. ...and bk how dare u to give abuse lang. You hv made Gods name in sand... dont say urself bk bhai ji...plz co operate...

OmShanti...


Mahabaleshwara 2 years ago

Everything is happening as per drama. Jo nindaa karey, unko bhi apna mitr samajho aur shubh bhaavnaa do. Sach apney samay par pratyaksh ho jaayegaa.


naman 2 years ago

brahma kumaris ki teaching galat ho hi nhi skti, agar galat hoti to jo sab log experience karte hain vo kaise hota?? aur agar logically sari teachings ko samjha jaye to sab sahi hain.

even jo rules isme hain vo bhi sahi hain, jaise ki onion/garlic isliye nhi khate kyunki vo sexual feelings, sexual hormones, anger ko bhadate hain, even non veg bhi isliye mana kiya jata hai bcoz vo vikaron ko bhadata h aur ye mera personal experience hai aur scientifically be proved, khud ajma bhi skte ho. khane ka man pe pakka asar hota h. to ye precautions hain. even pavtrita (celibacy) k liye isliye kaha jata h coz ye burai h agar burai na hoti to sex kabhi rape ka roop nhi leta, even ke baad bhi actual meachha nhi lagta, even har dharam me kam ko vikar hi mana jata h. aur aj sabse khatarnak bimari bhi AIDS h jiska main karan sex h. bk saadi k liye mana nhi karte balki pavitrta k liye kehte hain, aur saadi karne pe se ko control karna muskil ho jata h isliye better h ki mat karo aur agar ho jaye to bhi pure rehne ki kosis karo.

aur ye sab jisne bhi likha h bk k bare me use puri info nhi h, uske drama me yehi part h. us pe maya hawi h, par ant me to sabko ana hi h jab samay apna parda kholega to sabke hos udenge.

jo pbk hain me puchna chahta hu kya unhe kabhi anubhav nhi hua baba k pyar ka jo unhone shankar party ban li.

baba kehte hain sambhal jao bachcho, vinas najdeek h.

om shanti


Padam Singh 23 months ago

friends be original not a follower, because once Krishna went no other Krishna took birth same as Mahavir, Budh , Nanak, Kabir and so many.

You can be just yourself not like any other person. Journey of everyone in Truth or God is individual not of a gathering. There are thousand of ways to reach to God but you will have to reach yourself. So don't condemn anyone and follow anyone. By following anyone you will not be like him but you loose your originality. By following Budha,

Mahavir or BKS you will not be like him and no one became in thosands of years nor you will be. So be alone and true to yourself to start your journey towards God.


hfh 23 months ago

mr. mantu dont try to be innocent u people r the biggest hippocrates in this world u say that we dont discriminate people like rich or poor infact ur the one who make these kind of categories in ur stupid centres u treat weak and poor people as ur servant here in madhuban and even in satyug as ur praja that thet will be ur servant and u will be there king , u r saying we dont talk about others the truth is that in ur centres or business centres to be exact u always talk that folowing person is not meditating ours meditation is more than him and even ue centrea have a jealousy feeling between them all of ur lady owners try to make there centres big try to infuse or shuld i say brainwash rich people so that there centres can become big and luxurious u teach ur lady instructors in madhuban how to change the mind of people u urself have become fool and now ur making other fool so that ur not the only fool like the MLM business .


bk rabin 23 months ago

try to read some other articles not the poor but the gold medalist and other intellect came here for sewa,and dear so there is say " ur life is reflection of your seismic vibration of your thought" luxurious define to abstract outdoor things like shoppin , havin cars , party sharty" if our didi jst sittin in center and only remeberin the god, ths not luxourious life, is somebody wash my brain for not to do drink , no lust no anger, and their aim to wash our brain for livin every essence of life, then i would like to bring more people whomm they must need for brainwash for good purpose. since there is no such thing as a descriminate, this not a blind faith, too.


Bk Pijush 23 months ago

All those of you who have written negative points about brahmakumaris, please wake up from your deep ignorant sleep. Anyone who even attempts to speak, write, believe, think, narrate, do bad to this organization will face a total failure because this rudra yagna is established by God himself. So please don't ever challenge the power of God. In case if you don't believe or like this organization due to some reason, please leave without any prejudice. Don't misguide others and destroy your life. Om shanti


BK Saurabh 23 months ago

Divine Brothers and Sisters,

All those who have tried to abuse GOD here will have their respective consequences. But just a small suggestion to all those elite agnostic genre, If you were not satisfied by GOD himself i doubt that you would ever get satisfied from any of these disservices either, be it your articles on hubpages, blogspot , blogger or whatsoever, these are only going to make your vikarmas more and more strong with Time. Beware! Time never spares anyone, and those of u , sparing the diamond age in these activities, a time will come when you`ll be devastated by Time.

SO have a little sense, But anyways its rightly said , "Vinashkale Vipreet Buddhi Vinashayanti"

RIP

Om Shanti.


SHIVA 23 months ago

THERE IS NO DOUBT BK IS TEACHING GOOD THINGS TO THE WORLD. BUT SAME TIME THE TEACHINGS ARE SPOILING FAMILIES ALSO.

SINCE I DID NOT ACCEPT MY FATHER WHO IS BK, I GOT A GOOD FAMILY LIFE FOR LAST 10 YEARS WITH GIFTED WIFE & KIDS.

MY DAD WAS EXPECTING THE WORLD WILL GET DESTROYED IN 2000. BUT STILL IT IS ALIVE.

THOUGH HE IS BK, HE IS HAVING ALL DISESASES LIKE COLESTROL, SUGAR, PROSTATE CANCER. SINCE HE DOES NOT CONCENTRATE TO EARN MONEY, HE IS DEPENDING ON ME FOR EVERYTHING.

MY MUM IS ALAWAYS ENGAGED IN COOKING TO MAKE SPECIAL FOOD FOR HIM WITHOUT ONION & GARLIC.

TAKE GOOD THINGS FROM BK AND ENJOY YOUR FAMILY AND SOCIAL LIFE PEACEFULLY. BEING A GOOD HUMAN IS IMPORTANT THAN BEING A DIVINE.


bk kannan bhai 23 months ago

Shed all bloody controversies and practice Seed Stage.Experience it, definitely it will take years, I spent two decades for that,do hardwork, you will reach there. you can see the meaning of life. I thoroughly studied the knowledge and applied in practice. Love murali and bapdada. The Sidhis you are getting is your reward for hardwork . Use that for others upliftment. Otherwise waste of time, energy and money.


Jayant 22 months ago

BK' s teahings are completely misleading and not at all convincing. Stay away from this organisation, but I appreciate certain principles of BK like veg food , just like I wont like to be slaughterd for food , why would I kill others for my food;no alcohol and good work. Other than these few principles, which can be practised without joining BK, its not doing any good. In fact there are so many misteachings being given by the BK devotees like BK Shivani. I heard her interview with actor Suresh Oberoi , she was talking complete non-sense. I can challenge her theories, but who has time for this non-sense. In the name of spirituality, BK management is collecting donations to support luxurious lifestyle for the management, no better than any other religious organisation. In India, religion is a big business, donations pour in from each nook and corner of the country, as if God is available only on payment. If someone asks for donations for good work, hardly any response you get. Its India, more than good karma,people are into dharma.


kpatel 22 months ago

I agree with most of the views presented by the researcher.

I was watching the series of Awakening with BKs recently. I can not stop myself from raising a question.

Whenever they were talking about different religions or 4 yugas (satya, treta, dwapar, kali), they mentioned different prophets like Jesus, Abrahim, Buddha, Mohammad, etc... but they never mentioned Rama or Krishna... If in their vision, Ram or Krishna are not incarnation of Supreme Godhead, then don't they deserve to be recognized as atleast Prophets.

I am not ignoring God, I do believe in a Supreme power that is at work.

But why this hypocrites... If Brahamababa or now Gulzar dadi's body can have presence of Shivbaba, then why not these other Prophets? Why are they considered to be only pure and pious souls. Why can't Shivbaba's presenece be in thm?

Initially, I thought that these BK teachings are good... But they turned out to be like every other religion. To show the superiority of their beliefs, they show other religions (beliefs) inferior, and in this case ignore the one that flourished on the land where they reside.

No doubt, their teachings on Karma and Soul seem to be promising... and I guess, we can adopt those teachings and forget about who is or was the messenger of God... They should focus on just teaching that and drop out the idea to make people belive in the presence of Shivbaba in one of their members.


yadhu 22 months ago

brahmakumaris i s 100% true


sage 21 months ago

those who write this article..please brush teeth even here i smell your bad breath!!stop spreading your bad odor!


soul 20 months ago

i agree with both of you sage and yadhu..


rahul 20 months ago

The name BK spiritual University should be replaced by BK psychological Treatment center where the nervous patients are treated in Kalyug and are sent to Satyug after treatment.

But what about the Adi Manav.??????????? No treatment for them because their doctor are not specialist ones to say anything about them except .......they were not manavs. If so then what ..........


shivanjali 19 months ago

samay aur parmatma a graet juastice.truth has no needs to evidence.likhne waele alert ho, sambhavami uge uge,har ek ko apne karmo ki saja jarur milti hai,so be alert and sudhar jao. kisi ki bina vajah badnami karna accha nahi hai.


Indian Citizen 19 months ago

Shivan and others, I read your inputs and your words carry a lot of meaning in them in terms of a mortal mans life. This cult called Bramha Kumaris, (BKs as they are called) is a totem of disorderly mess managed and timely replenished by the BK Centre heads and few devilish looking old ladies with a dark mascara around their eyes. Ideally, the old deserve great respect in lieu that they are gracefully aged and having gained a great knowledge of good n bad in life which they are expected to spread to the young. however its not the case in these so called old Dadis, its a different story altogether. You guys all who have commented here must read this story of my own brother with whom I have a share of my blood and grew up together who was once a man of logic who unnaturally got derailed and fell prey to these BKs foolishly cooked and churned concept of philosophy, which among other three prominent religions in the world (who again have their own concepts) are PROUD to say that they worship and spread the message of a GOD WHO SITS HIGH above the other existing gods and CONTROLS the whole hoard of demigods below them + earthlings, with pictorial comical representation of the same viz all gods picture below a shining a egg shaped red light(Siva baba) handling the lesser other gods by means of a string like ray of light. They are overwhelmed by this concept and starts to jump like a kid in the candy shop and My dear brother fell for all this nonsense in the same way. He initially had even convinced my mother to go to the classes they hold in BK Centres across the city (aside: rivalry is prominent among these centres with lot of politics and friction among themselves). I myself used to take my mom to the class on the pretext of dropping her there just to see what exactly does they teach there that interested my brother to go mad over it. I pretended as if I too have interest in knowing BK theory, that guy who preached was like he saw me coming and probably felt to himself that he got a bakra and started to ooze out all the nonsense about life which was utter disgust and a shame to noble prize winning scientific concepts, one such example being - he showed us a book, another comical picture which he said is heaven with humans walking on a lawn in pairs (man and woman) with glittering costumes and porcelain complexion skin like as if they are just married (question in my mind was - yes they are pairs but whats their next quest as a married couple???). And then the BK moved to another page in which there was a beautiful pond and an arch beside it, I have no compliants about this but what follows next is quite disappointing, there was a lion, tiger, deer, cow and a snake and all of them were drinking water standing side by side and the BK guy slowly pointed towards it and meticulously said to me n my mother - see this is a pond in heaven and these are the wild beasts and see all of them are drinking water so peacefully with out fighting. This is called chutiya bann na and BKs, Jyothishis & godmen are masters in this coz troubled people seek salvation and relief from them which is by instinct and they accept whatever these frauds speak. Belive me my mom nodded to him and accepted whatever he said for her stupidity. Point to be made here is that as far as people are ther to belive there will be people who would show poison and claim it as milk. If there are innocents, then there will be frauds who prosper at the expense of innocents. That was the day I took a lesson to my mom and stopped her, barred her from going to BKs. But my brother was lost beyond translation and deeply engrossed with BK theory, he stopped consuming onions & garlic foods and non veg including egg. Even chilli coz BKs belive chillies which are hot increases your temper. He started to see people with some sight which he called he learnt from BKs which he claimed will remove impurities in a persons mind and filters our thought flow towards him. He started to foolishly gaze at people at home who gave him advice to quit BK saying that he is now giving a divine gaze and saying vedanta that you are yet to understand the universal truth that Bramha baba is the only supreme god above all hindu gods, Islam & christianity, Greek gods, Buddha, parsis....Etc. He even stopped eating outside saying people cook food with impure thoughts (such as marriage, women, ego, greed, lust, etc) and that such thoughts would flow thru the food n corrupt him too. Whenever mom gave him food plate he used to give his divine gaze or sight (Dhrusti as he calls it which those old Budiyas in Mount Abu give to their followers) for few mins sparking off a sense of insecurity in our relatives who started saying this guy is losing his mind and to take him to Mental hospital for immediate treatment. He stopped eating regular food with essential nutrients and became pale and weak like a TB Patient. He stopped mingling with his friends whom he named as fools who dont know the meaning of life or spirituality coz they opposed him going to BK. His mind became contorted and consumed by the BK ideologies of sensing negative thoughts and vibrations in air and among people beside him. He foolishly started behaving like a psycho like saying he is sensing presence or entry of some evil soul in the house or in a person. infact whoever adviced him, he named them as evil souls trying to tarnish the image of Bramha Baba and BK Fraternity, and that we are all jealous of him following the right path. He often told us to follow his path or he used to threaten us that we will not reach heaven or we will not live in golden age. He used to say for example if an aero engineer enrolls as a BK now in this yug, then he will be a proud aero engineer in golden age too designing the pushpak vimaans for others to travel by air. The funny thing was that he started to pour coffee/tea into his mouth without touching the brim of the glass to his lips making people around him guffaw, as he assumed and was told by BKs that the glass would have been touched by a hands of a woman with impure thoughts or maybe she might have even indulged in an erotic activity with her husband, The BKs and the old budiya dadis have somehow forgotten that they are indeed the proud products of the very same activity by their parents. He started going to BK sessions regularly he would sacrifice anything and everything and go to classes. he brought tons of BK materials called murli and he used to read them like as if he is studying for SSLC\PUC exam tomorrow morning and he even wrote those thoughts of his about shivababa, how he emphasized him and how lucky he is to have come to this path. his whole room was stocked with BK Books and murli materials. Had he done this hardwork during his career days and put in even half or quarter the effort he was putting in BK knowledge, belive me he would have passed his exams above distinction and he would have become a nobel laureate and today he might have been earning his livelihood. Friends now that I have spoken of his livelihood you all might have had a hint about his employment and earnings, his moral highground in the society right. To speak of his job he is now 35 yrs and does not work (its been about 10 years since he became a BK), he does not mingle with people to work, even if he works he will join in such a place which does not involve hardwork and has minimal activity and the moment he senses any disturbance to his BK routine he quits, does not take up challenges, has no sympathy towards his mother and brothers (being following a divine path) he does not give a damn about the financial crunch and crisis at home, has no plans to marry and relies on aging mother to struggle and cook for him, relies on mother and others money, entirely and completely careless about everything at house to the core, he knows not wat is hardwork but just needs money, gathers some money and donates it to BK Centre to pay their electricity bills, water bills or to bring ration as they need it to prepare Batti, a spiritual satvik food cooked by pure BK Hands. He even wakes up at 4 a.m and changes the white bulb in his room to red bulb and sits for


atma 19 months ago

Brahmakumaris are marketing God. Like any selling company they are trying to prove that there product is the real one. They scare people about world destruction and tell them to join them for their safety. If they truly believe in World Destruction why are they wasting their followers hard earned money on making luxurious five star accommodations at Abu. Everyone knows BKs spends millions and millions of donation money to develop their Headquarter at Abu as the luxurious tourist spot so to lure western and indian innocent peoples to fall in their trap and they can empty their pockets. If they really believe in World Destruction they should do some charity from the donation money. There are several villages near Abu in Sirohi districts which don't have water, education for their children , no medical facilities . BKs should spend some money for their charity in spite of having luxurious life.

Message to all BKs ----- BHOGI NAHI YOGI BANO !!!!!


new seeker 19 months ago

Dear Atma

I fully agree to you. Brahmakumaris invites VIPs and politicians and media persons for free holiday vacations to their place to impress them and later use them for their benefits.


DAVINDER KUMAR 18 months ago

Mera BABA aaya hai 5000 years ke baad , isliye ab hum bachon ke liye aaram haram hai jab tak naye vishav ki msathapna nahin ho jaati.


SATHISH 18 months ago

DEAR ALL,

BK' S TEACHINGS ARE BASED ON BHAGAVD GITA. BAAVADGIDA IS A PURE SCIENCE(SCIENCE WHICH DEALS WITH HANDLING AND CONTROLLING OUR THOUGHTS ) .

THE MAIN GOAL IS TO GET CONFLICT LESS AND FREE MIND. IT COMES ONLY BY BELIEF (EITHER ON YOURSELF OR WITH SOME ONE ELSE WHO IS PREACHING THE KNOWLEDGE(SATHGURU)). HAVING BELIEF ON SELF IN EVERY SITUATIONS IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE ON. I SAID ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE , BECAUSE MAY BE IT IS POSSIBLE FOR 0.00000000000001%.. REST 99.99999…% NEED PRACTICE . FOR THIS WE NEED ORGANIZATIONS LIKE BHRAMAKUMARIS.

***************MESSAGE FOR THE AUTHOR***************

MY FRIEND YOU ARE POINTING OUT LOT OF ISSUES AND PROBLEMS ABOUT BK’S ORGANIZATION AND THE MEMBERS. DO U THINK THEY ARE DOING IT FOR MONEY, RESPECT OR SOME THING ELSE AS A RETURN, NO IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT (EVEN IF YOU THINK ,JUST GO THROUGH THE BHAGAVADGITA , IF YOU GOT REALIZED THE TRUTH BEHIND BAGAVAD GITA THEN ALL YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED). BHAGAVAD GITA IS A COMMON SCIENCE FOR BOTH WHO BELIES AND NON BELIEVERS OF GOD.

BHARAMA BABA (LEKRAJ) MENTIONED HIMSELF AS A MESSENGER OF GOD. LIKE ALL OTHER MESSENGERS HE HAS HIS OWN WAY AND THE FOLLOWERS ARE FOLLOWING IT.

WE HEARD LOT OF STORIES ABOUT MESSENGERS DOING MAGIC KIND OF STUFFS AND MOST OF THE PEOPLES BELIEVING IT. IF YOU BELIEVE IN SCIENCE THEN YOU MAY THINK IT MAYBE BECAUSE OF MISUNDERSTANDING BY THE FOLLOWERS OR IT WAS JUST A SIMULATION. I SAW IN A DOCUMENTARY THAT A FAMOUS MESSENGER SIMULATED A SITUATION TO MAKE PEOPLES TO BELIEVE HIM AS A SON OF GOD. HE NEVER DID IT TO GAIN A FAME OR SOMETHING ELSE,HE DID IT BECAUSE ,HE WANT PEOPLES TO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW THE TRUTH WHAT HE PREACHED (IN THOSE AGES PEOPLES BELIEVED ONLY GOD NOT SCIENCE)

SOME PEOPLES POINTED OUT MISTAKES IN BK PREACHING, EVEN BHAGAVAD GITA ALSO HAVE SOME MISTAKES, WHY BECAUSE IT IS A SCIENCE. IN SCIENCE LOT OF THEORIES BY GREATEST SCIENTIST’S WENT WRONG OVER TIME. WE CANT SAY THAT THOSE SCIENTISTS ARE CHEATERS OR FOOLS.

***************MESSAGE FOR THE AUTHOR***************

***********************************IMPORTANT FOR ALL ***********************************

I WAS WITH BK’S PANDAV BHAVAN (ASHRAM) FOR SOME TIME, THEY SPEND LOT OF RESOURCES AND TIME FOR ME AND EVEN THEY READY TO SPEND MORE JUST TO MAKE MY LIFE PEACEFUL. MOST OF OUR FRIENDS AND RELATIVES WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING WITHOUT ANY RETURN.

BK’S ORGANIZATION WAS STARTED AROUND A CENTURY BEFORE STILL IT IS GROWING. TRUTHS WILL STAND FO R LONG TIME AND MORE ……….


Realization 17 months ago

Don't believe this BK. Never and Never. If you believe, it means that you are making yourself BIG FOOL.


SATHISH 17 months ago

Hi Realization,

If you mentioned me as 'this BK' and if you find any mistake in my post please mention it. If there is any mistake in my belief or thoughts, I will fix it.

Please don't say 'Don't believe' without pointing any mistake, This is the age of science, We need reason...


shivsena 17 months ago

Who is gita ka bhagwan ??

Is it krishna-DLR or is it MAMMA-Saraswati ??(adi-shakti always combined with shiv.)

who is trinetri shivbaba??...to see pictures of trinetri shivbaba, please see pictures of maa-third eye on google search.


bk radha 16 months ago

brahma kumaris are true in teachings they are correct, fair, accuarate. it is only for oure awareness. god bless you all .


maxjewel 16 months ago

@ Satish

Can you specify which Chapter & Verse of Gita's Science you are talking about. If you can, we can further discuss on it. General speaking , all religion attempts to enable us to control our mind so that we can give a spiritual and moral direction to our thoughts , actions and wisdom. BK is no exception. Please do not quote 'Science'. Science demand proof and test result which can be measured and quantified in scientific terms


Sathish 16 months ago

I am happy to discuss maxjewel,

Yes its true 'all religion attempts to enable us to control our mind' but with little change not just to control thoughts, but to handle our thoughts. Everybody can control our thoughts but only a yogi(follower of books like Bhagavad Gita) can handle his thoughts. Or else I can say, we can control thoughts without any reason (scientific). But if we want to handle, then we need solid proof.

Each and every sentence in Bhagavad gita is a provable scientific term. Just a simple proof, Most of the Psychiatrist from different location in the world is prescribing meditation for patents mental disorders (even for some physical disorders too).

All self-motivation and self development books from any part of the world carries few idea from Bhagavad gita, It doesn’t mean, they are copying or referring Gita, but whatever we think or create an idea about our thoughts, almost it is covered in Githa. This is what the behavior of science laws.

A simple example, Gita says, your thoughts are poisoned by greed, lust, anger, ego, attachment and their combinations nothing more than that. This is like e=mc2. I tried and tested myself and I agreed with the law.

This is the information age and we know the value of information. Information will make a person as a billionaire within a day or it will bring him down to bottom. Currently peoples are investing their money and time on external information processors like computers and etc. It’s getting upgraded and enhanced each and every day, but we should invest time and money to enhance our internal processor too. This can be archived by understanding and following laws in Gita (Not just blindly following).

I think ‘Handling thoughts’ has been left alone and their values are not been realized by current world (Science community). Till now, with my knowledge no books has been approved or published as a bible for handling thoughts by the current world (Science Community). But I can simply say that Gita is one of the book with worthful informations.

Peoples like Budda, Gandi(layer by profession) and many more followed same laws, Either those peoples may be followed the rules without any proof or we are not following it because of ignorance.

Most of the peoples believe religious thoughts are superstitious (or at least partially superstitious) and some others believe religion without knowing the truth behind it. If we take religion as science we should follow only reasonable rules that lead to scientific relegion.

‘All religion attempts to enable us to control our mind so that we can give a spiritual and moral direction to our thoughts, actions and wisdom’ –

These are your words right?. If we are getting spiritual and moral direction without provable result (with blind belief) mean we are cheating our self and it will lead to failure or faulty action. Please don’t take these as hard words, I just want to make you realize the situation.

Suggestions and queries are most welcomed.


:( 16 months ago

I heard that BK is against marriage. Why is it so....


maxjewel 16 months ago

@ Satish

I do not need to worry your hard and soft words ( you can hard be since my next uploads will be harded ). Let us first understand the cause and effect of ‘Gita’. Just before the war started Arjun saw a multitude of people in front of him as enemies. His own relatives were there as enemies. As a natural burst of moral instinct, Arjun refuse to fight . He never wanted bloodshed for the sake of ‘Kindgom’ . These are the words said by Arjun to Krishna

I desire neither victory, nor pleasure nor kingdom, O Krishna. What is the use of the kingdom, or enjoyment, or even life, O Krishna? Because all those  for whom we desire kingdom, enjoyments, and pleasures  are standing here for the battle, giving up their lives. (1.32-33)

I do not wish to kill my teachers, uncles, sons, grandfathers, maternal uncles, fathers-in-law, grandsons, brothers-in-law, and other relatives who are about to kill us, even for the sovereignty of the three worlds, let alone for this earthly kingdom, O Krishna. (1.34-35)

O Lord Krishna, what pleasure shall we find in killing our cousin brothers? Upon killing these felons we shall incur sin only. (1.36)

Therefore, we should not kill our cousin brothers. How can we be happy after killing our relatives, O Krishna? (1.37)

One can see the sense of compassion, love and sympathy flowing from Arjun’s heart. It is an inbuilt moral conscience within every human being as universally accepted. But, after this the ‘Gita’ was narrated to him by Krishna. And after getting the knowledge of ‘Gita’ the same Arjun who was showing such love and compassion started killing his uncles, cousins, grandsons and teachers. Again, generally we only focus on the main characters of Mahabharat, but what about the millions of soldiers who lost their lives, what about their widows and orphan children. Was it that they were destined to die ? Were their wives and children destined to be widows and orphans? Or was it the secret of ‘meditation’ which transformed Arjun from a sympathetic person to a heartless killer and change lives of millions of women and children?

Before taking “Gita” as a reference point to justify your believe you need to look carefully at the reference and understand.

Regarding your answer to my query earlier I am yet to get a reply on a scientific equation or a theory mentioned in a specific place of Gita which is universally adopted in all scientific laboratories & research centers through the world. The mention of e=mc2 in your paragraph is simply out of context and a very stupid one. The equation relates mass and energy and does not have anything to do with ‘mind’ research.

The Mind is the center of various thoughts like Love, Greed, Jealousy, Anger etc is known to every person on this earth from primitive time. You do not need a “gita’ to remind you that. Even a marooned person can make out that simple thing.

To be continued ............................


Sathish 16 months ago

@ :(

Not just BK’s, most of the religions considering lust as a vice along with greed, anger, ego and attachment, because they feed one on the other.

If you want to reach final stage in yoga(peace and stability) you should give up all vices.

BK’s are preaching this knowledge to common peoples too, so it looks like they are against marriage.

Without sex there is no life on earth, BK’s are just giving the information they are not forcing you to do, so we should know where to use and not use


Sathish 16 months ago

@ maxjewel

Sill I don’t want to be hard (because hard words will always induce our Ego. It’s a human nature.)

I hope I am not a stupid. It seems you should do more research on meditation. There is no relation between mass energy equation and the law I mentioned, except both are just laws.

Gita is just a story about warfare, war happening between our internal thoughts. So there is no need worry about blood.

Arjuna is a person who is with conflict thoughts and willing to become a yogi. Krishna is his sathguru, he is answering all conflict questions (Conflict thoughts) rose by Arjuna. Krishna is a charioteer for Arjuna’s thoughts and driving him to right way.

Main characters on the side of Arjuna are good thoughts and others characters like Bishma and Duriodana are Conflicts need to be destroyed. Million’s of solders’ against Arjuna are resultant of conflicts.

If we want to understand in depth knowledge of Gita, We should be on the way to control and handle our thoughts by meditation, without that, Gita is just a story.

I roughly googled “science in bhagavad gita” to get any theory’s or equations related to Gita and I found something.

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&s...

I don’t know whether above one is proved or not, even I can’t understand the equations. Just try it yourself and if you got anything share with us.

I am going to add some common scientific theories related with Gita and most of the peoples know about it. We can’t expect exact equation, because Gita was written around 3 thousand years (or more) back so we should view them in the perspective of historian also Gita is not meant to prove the theories that what I mentioned below. Its goal is to handle thoughts and we are extracting recently proved theories from them.

(I am not mentioning exact slogan because recently I started research on Gita in my spare time, right now I am in tight schedule)

1. Gita says we are not the physical body; we are soles (a form of energy). Some yogis believe that we are the form of light.

2. We can’t destroy our sole. Don’t worry about dead, dead is just a transfer of sole from one body to another.

First statement clearly pointing that Gita separated energy from physical materials. Also light is a form of energy. By recent science we know that life consists of physical material (body) plus bio-electricity which flows inside the body.

Second statement states that there is no destruction for energy (Law of conversion of energy).

With my knowledge I can prove another one thing

Artificial intelligence researchers believe that machine may take over the world and we are going to be the slaves, if it outstrips human intelligence. Gita proves that greed, lust, anger, ego and attachment are the flaws of thoughts and the ultimate goal of life is peace and stability. So the super intelligent life will follow the way of yogi.

I don’t want to escape just by relating the recent theories to Gita in some way. I told you already that each and every sentence in Gita is a provable science.

The theory’s that are related to the physical world is easy to use, mean if it is already proved then we can use it in our application.

But theories in Gita deal with our thoughts. Thoughts are complex thing to manage, first we should get the knowledge, think about it in yoga and practice it in real life. Then only we can get the result. Simply discussing in the form won’t prove or provide anything. Just follow the way of meditation and get realized yourself.

I don’t think we need a separate laboratory to prove the theories about thoughts. Our internal processor is the greatest place to do research on thoughts.

Just consider a situation that you are getting new information that anger is playing important role in your failure. Is it possible for you to get rid of that by next day morning? No, it is impossible but a real yogi can, because his thoughts are pure and clean, he can able to accept or reject any thoughts as he wish and this is what the goal of yoga, stable and peaceful mind.

‘The Mind is the center of various thoughts like Love, Greed, Jealousy, Anger etc is known to every person on this earth from primitive time. You do not need a “gita’ to remind you that. Even a marooned person can make out that simple thing’

It’s true. Recent science believes that the source of life is water and every life form in the planet knows about water. But in recent century only we found the composition of water (H2O) and only few scientists involved in it. The author of the Gita is a psychoanalyst and he gave the composition of thoughts and also how to handle it.

See below image,

http://i43.tinypic.com/2vlr1jn.jpg

if there is an improvement in business it will directly impact child categories and impact on parent will be either direct or in direct. Similarly improvement in processing capability will directly impact on child categories( Business, Knowledge…) and so on… But consider the impact of improvement in base component, it will dramatically improve everything below it.

First thing we should understand is importance of thought handling. What we do, see, feel and everything is thoughts. Simply, everything exists around us is just because of our thoughts.

See below image

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=20f5mkl&s=5

Everything about us is converges into single point called thoughts. So if there is a science that can act on that single point, then that will hold the first place in all other science not the space science or quantum science. So I can proudly say that Gita is holding that place.

Till now I gave you some ideas and importance about Gita and Yoga. If you want to know in depth knowledge behind that, then you should do more research by yourself in your personal laboratory. Most of the meditation centers .preaching bakthi yoga, So it will be difficult to accept everything in the name of science, One best solution is to accept whatever you feel ok and leave rest.

Suggestions and queries are most welcomed…..


maxjewel 16 months ago

@ Satish

All religion does not speak of sex as lust. Sex within a marriage is always expectable by God . It is only Bk which by practice discourages marriages. The very institution of marriage goes against their fundamental structure of a female dominated institution. It is generally accepted that when a woman joins your organization her family happiness goes for a toss. You might not agree to it ( since you are a member), but the family members who are victimized by your organization are aware of it. A woman is the key to a family’s existence, happiness and prosperity in all sense. If she is instigated to get detached from her family then it is a crime towards her children, husband and elderly members in the family. It is clear from BKs theory that as per the karmic law, sex of any nature ( including marriage ) will lead you to a degraded life in a next birth. It is also known that married people who are the members of your organization do not have physical relationship with their partners. Is it this a healthy sign of a happy marriage? Does anyone’s common sense say that salvation is denied to a married person if he is god obedient person? This is a kind of madness which some people think as the final truth.

You are showing a double standard – your words do not match with the general practice of the BK members


maxjewel 16 months ago

@ Satish

You are not hard but your reply is still confusing and meaningless (to be hard you need a short and precise answer). Next time, please give a short and objective answer. It is really a waste of time to give reply to a lofty and worthless passage. Let me answer you stage by stage.

My study on Gita and other Texts is more than enough, and there is no need for your push. I always study Gita IN THE CONTEXT OF MAHABHARAT and not apart from. Most fanatics interpret Gita outside the context of Mahabharat and try to give a total different meaning to it.

Once again I would state that your mentioning of e=mc2 is out of context. e=mc2 is a scientific equation which asserts the equalities of two expression in quantity, but when we talking about our ‘thoughts’ it is not an equation. Our thoughts are in our brain and are influenced by various external and internal factor – is an existing fact like our kidney is a part of our urinary system or birds fly or rain comes from cloud etc. You have just included this equation to give some weight age to your passage – very petty.

If Gita is a story then everything is a story. Krishna is a story, Mahabharat and its characters are a story and Gita is just a part of that story. In fact, the whole epic is just an imaginary work. But, even if it is a story the philosophy and intention of the writer ( may be writers ) are very clear. As you have mentioned that Arjuna’s thoughts were conflicting and want to be a yogi is another misguiding statement of yours. If you (or any normal person) were to stand in front of an enemy line comprising your own people you would have gone mad and started crying and ran away from the scene. But, from the Mahabharata it is clear that Arjuna was not hysteric. The words he spoke showed clear consciences – NO VIOLENCE, NO KILLING, NO GREED FOR KINGDOM. In fact, the narration of Gita to him changed his clear thought pattern from one to the other – To kill in the name of Dharma with no feeling of guilt, salvation guaranteed for sin done in the name of God or Dharma. As you have mentioned, the words of Gita taught him to meditate on Krishna and his duty ( dharma) to kill his fellow men, forgetting about love, compassion, mercy and kindness ( which you are referring as conflicting items of mind ). If Mahabharat is just a story of ‘thoughts’ fighting ‘thoughts’, ‘thoughts’ marrying ‘thoughts’, ‘thoughts’ eating foods then our physical body has no relevance in our life. Then a girl child can raped with good non-conflicting thoughts , One can murder his own brother with good non-conflicting thoughts etc. Our physical body might be temporary but it is only way by which we manifest ourselves. Any soul or thought is meaningless without a physical body. Any act of Dharma or Adharma is possible only through or on a physical body. Else everything is meaningless. God created us in his own image and even when He comes as an incarnation He takes a human form and not a cat, dog, tree or a cd-player.

Let me also tell you that Mahabharat and Gita is not just a story comprising of characters called ‘Thoughts’ and analysis of thoughts. It tells about politics, Injustice in the name of dharma, act of fraud and cheating in the name of dharma. evolution of hindusim from worship of nature gods to personal gods, supremacy of Brahmins etc.

Answers for next stage to follow ( on science part)


Sathish 16 months ago

@Maxjewel

Gita is just an imaginary story, if you want to know in-depth knowledge , U should be on the way to handle your thoughts.

Instead of discussing others (Gita, BK,…), we will get into core part (Meditation) then we will go for rest. Before that I want to know some answers from your.

1. What do u feel about meditation?

2. Does God exist?

3. Can we relate God with science? If Yes, How?


Maxjewel 16 months ago

@ Satish

Please do not try to push the ball to my court. Let's here the answer from you. Still you are not giving a clear answer to my passage - trying BK tricks ?

If 'thought' is everything . Then should be assume that BK's 'God' is the product of one's thought ? and that idea of 'God' is retained and embedded in ones mind by regular practice of systematic meditation ( slow and self hypnosis ) ?


maxjewel 16 months ago

@ Satish

There is a typing mistake

replace 'here' with 'hear'


Sathish 16 months ago

@maxjewel

1) I already told you greed, lust, anger, ego and attachment are the vices of thoughts, Law by Gita, mean if you give-up above you can able to take more accurate decisions (any reasoning creatures primary job is decision making right?). If you can, just disprove it. Discussion on this part will give answer for everything (BK’s, Gita,…) is it ok?.

2) Yes, thoughts are everything. Even though logical data (thoughts) are stored as a physical matter, Logical part takes main roll in any life form.

Thoughts are more mutable in life forms than physical body (body’s changes like growth injury… also depends on either inherited data or logical data we acquired). Just take care of logical part, physical part will be cared automatically.

3) I believe only in science, I am not using any tricks, since we are discussing about God and science I need answer for these questions.

Does God exist? Can you relate God with science? If Yes, How?

4) Meditation means slow and self hypnosis, is it right?


maxjewel 16 months ago

@ Satish

I am yet to answer on your science part. I have gone through the link given by you -http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&s

The write up is one such wild assumption of some fanatic scientist to glorify his faith. There is an ocean of such claims. The best example is our present day ‘Dr. Zakir Nayak’ , a muslim scholar who is trying his best to related every letter of Quran with some scientific facts & figures. You can also volunteer for a debate with him (he is always ready) and at the end you might piss in your own pants. In fact it is a new trend with every religion to make scientific claims. Only idiots follow them. If any one reads the total contents of Chapter 13 of Gita it would clear that it is all spiritual and philosophical claim. The writer himself has claimed in the write-up that it is his interpretation of the word ‘field’ and not a scientific theory embedded exclusively within Gita. 4/5th of the write-up is on explaining the mathematical theories, and then the writer tries to fit the raw moral attributes to the mathematical equation. If his claim is so convincing then all scientist and science students of world would have been the followers of ‘Gita’ by now , but that is not the case. Even the interpretation of Chapter 13 by the prime organization like ‘Rama Krishna Mission’ is totally different.

Another claim the writer makes is that Gita was written in sanskrit in 500 BC. But, there is no historical evidence of existence of Sanskrit before 2 century AD . The first evidence of classical Sanskrit is attested by an inscription dating around A.D.150 in the Brahmi script. There is not a single proof of existence of Krishna temple before 4th century AD. Obviously all of Mahabharat, Gita and the worship of its characters and its spiritual analysis happened from the 2nd century AD onwards.

As you have stated

‘Gita says that our body is a soul only’ ( infact every religion believes in the theory of perpetual soul and a mortal body) . But, by science it is just complex biological units. There is no pre-birth or post-birth existence of an individual. This is the only interpretation that the mainstream science have ( apart from those lousy wanna-be scientist). When science has nothing to do with soul then we should not talk on the indestructibility factor of the soul as scientifically proven. This is bullshit. Wherever in Gita you find the word ‘energy’ it all relates to spiritual energy and not the scientific expressions like – Kinetic, Heat, Chemical, nuclear etc. All the various kind of energies in our body is ‘for the body, by the body and within the body’ and has nothing to do with the soul. All these energy drops to zero level once be die. Also a thorough study of Gita gives a clear picture of the nature of energy it speaks about i.e. totally a spiritual one. Trying to relate science-energy with gita-energy is very cheap and lousy trick.

Rest of your writing is just a bogus attempt to relate things like ‘anger, jealousy , greed , love with things like ‘ atom, electrons , trigonometry, algebra, fission, litmus paper’ etc. Any intelligent person can understand the desperate try you are giving to come up with some 2+2=4 logic.

It is better to discuss about BK and its ideology rather than reading your crazy claims.


neha 16 months ago

I know we get some power from bk rajyoga practice,brama baba sid that he had keys of heavan in his muraly and jesus said 'I m the door 'in bible,then if I want to enter ,I hav to go trough both of them. and m ready for both but where is heavan.i don't want to wait to learn more.if my milk is pure,then why I hav to wait for poison drop.if one meditation of bk, make me light it is true.then why I hav to be impure.and according to bks vinash will coming be ready for that,is bks are not so powerfull to see vinash.as there own baba said be ready.i hav a one more question.your siv baba do not have power to save you then why u all are trying to make yourself for vinash.if baba is your then why u getting fear,go and demand vinash of this world.YOU DONT WANT SATYUG? ASK YOUR BABA DATE OF THE DAY OF VINASH.


SHIKHANDI 15 months ago

I AM THE ONLY PERSON WHO ENDED THE MAHABHARAT IF FAVOUR OF PANDAVAS, SO READ CAREFULLY WAIT FOR THE SOUND OF END OF DRAMA.JUST WAIT


Brahma kumaris 15 months ago

Dear Mr. maxjewel,

GOD is not a thought, GOD is not 'IT' GOD is 'HE' and the father of entire Universe, as the Soul the Child of him took n number of births leaving him it has forgot who he is and who is his father. and hope you are also in the same position. I Wonder why a person do not raise a question about his/her bodily parents whether they are his parents or not. Does she/he saw and remember his/her parents marrying or giving birth to her/him. Of course not. Hope you agree with the statement.

Then how come a person asking about the existence of GOD!!!

Further, I request all the people on this and would come on this site

1. Please don't comment adverse opinion with your name as B.K acting as aggrieved. Let the conversations move on the line of truth.

2. Never impurify yourself by acting as a predator to one. That will harm our atmendriya the spiritual organs of ones.

3. Stand on one of the boat, strictly and appreciate your journey try to get the truth from everywhere. Else, standing on both of the boats will end us in null (With no qualities collected in our Mind)


Sathish 15 months ago

@maxjewel,

On science part (http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&s... I am not yet explored it, if I have any update, we will discuss later.

(Please answer points by point and clearly state weather you accepted or rejected my claims. Start each point with ACCEPTED/PARTIALY ACCEPTED/REJECTED)

1. In current science, past and feature of life is not yet been explored. Everything in this world is related right? mean an adult’s character is base on his childhood character and a child’s character is based on life as a sperm and ovum and its character also based on the past and so on.

Still now we don’t know what is life and its origin (researches are going on) . But it resides in life forms body (event in microscopic body). It is possible in feature to find what is life. It may be a form of energy or physical matter or combination of both . According to current science ‘anything in this universe is transformable from one form to another, mean it can takes same form again. So rebirth 100% possible and it is related to past. But according to religious thoughts ‘If you do well in this birth, you will get good life in next birth’ this may be true or false.

2. Religions that are base on Gita or related to it are strongly insisting about athma, rebirth and past life. If it is some other religion (not related to Gita) with same idea then it may have common base or common idea.

3. Gita clearly stated that ‘life is a form of energy (Either it may be a spiritual or may be some other name), it is indestructible and transformation is cyclic’. I don’t think it came to writer(s) head just by fluke. Practicing yoga will maximize the person’s ability, efficiency and productivity (both mental and physical). So everything in Gita is analyzed and reasoned points. Even martial art (utilize mind and body efficiently) is a yoga and it is accepted throughout the world.

5. Since I wish to move into core part, I just avoided some of your queries and here is the answer for your old post.

‘In fact, the narration of Gita to him changed his clear thought ……………………..

…………………………………..

…………………………………..One can murder his own brother with good non-conflicting thoughts etc .

These are your words.

The followers of Gita (or its base) like Gandhi, Buddha ,BKs and lot more never did as you said, but they gave up their life for others. Whose understanding is wrong? It seems you are wrong.

6. Again I am insisting you to do more research on meditation. Even if you want to do research on tribes, you should get into them, mingle with them, follow their rules……. then only you will get accurate result. If you are out of circle then whatever you do, the result will be less accurate.

(Don’t use cheap words, It is not a sign of healthy discussion. Sure one of us is a fool (especially about what we are discussing). Since we are at the begin of discussion, we will come to know by the end)


Sathish 15 months ago

@maxjewel,

We will discuss core part of yoga in parallel, use separate post.

Still we are just revolving around yoga. Discussion on that part will give us real answer. I need answer for below questions

1. Does God exist? Can you relate God with science? If Yes, How?

I am giving reason for above query too, If you can take God in science way, Then our thought about god will be more or less similar, then it will be easy for us to start our discussion from that point.

2. Meditation means slow and self hypnosis, is it right?

If your answer is yes, then you are right, according to science prayer is self hypnosis and as you said meditation (yoga) is more systematic)


Maxjewel 15 months ago

Dear Satish

Another bogus attempt of yours! Typical of BK style! You have again come up with some bombastic and meaningless messages to confuse people. This is what the BKs do, they come up with some alluring and complicated spiritual stunts to mesmerized common people. People don’t get to understand the truth and instead are attracted by these spiritual stunt shows.

1) Your statement “a child’s character is based on life as a sperm and ovum and its character also based on the past and so on”. This is a false BK statement. Child character is based on DNA inherited from its parents and by the environment in which he grows.

Your statement “Still now we don’t know what is life and its origin (researches are going on)” You have meant spiritual life. Nobody on this planet is doing any research of origin of spiritual life or soul. Science is working on the origin of living organism on this planet from the biological point of view and not spiritual life.

About rebirth: - As per science matter cannot be destroyed i.e. it takes another form or is transformed into energy, BUT that does not mean it supports rebirth. This I have already explained in a passage earlier. In short to expose some of your ( Bks ) Stupidity

a: Matter in all its forms do not support life.

b: Incase of rebirth scenario the population of the planet should have been constant through the timeline of this earth. But the figures are as below

10000 BC 5 million

1 AD 250 million

1800 AD 1 billion

2000 AD 6 billiion

Does it mean that 99% of the total souls were added in this kalyug. Was your BABA sleeping with those souls for all these centuries?

c: A person is rewarded/punished for his/her actions of the previous birth. This is nonsense! A person is given verdict by a judge for a crime which he can’t remember by a single bit. What kind of judgement is this, and what kind of reward are you talking about – earthly? Like, born in a reach family, beautiful body, good job etc. This is greed been created for the next birth.

2) This is out of context of this argument. Everybody knows the theme of Gita. You are cunningly touching the good part and avoiding the controversial parts.

3) your statement “Gita clearly stated that ‘life is a form of energy (Either it may be a spiritual or may be some other name), it is indestructible and transformation is cyclic’”. Can you state which chapter and verse of Gita said that and then I can expose your hypocrisy? meditation is just a mental exercise and has nothing to do with God. An act like jogging, playing, studying, singing etc. The martial artists meditate and end up beating or killing someone with precision ( no God is involve in a street fight ). BK’s tries to state that the meditation is the only way to communicate with God. Such God is a limited God and in fact is a creation of mind by meditation. A true God is already knocking at my door, I just need to accept him. He knows my needs and prayers even before my mind speaks. He will promise me with heavenly gift and not earthly wealth. He will make path for my salvation and rescue me from condemnation. He will show mercy to my repenting heart and not let it rot in the cycle of birth

My understanding of Gita is perfect. Buddha never knew about Krishna. There was no existence of Sanskrit or Mahabharat or the mythical Krishna during the time Buddha. Further the theology of Buddhism is totally different than that of Gita. Gandhi was more of a secular then a fanatic. Moreover Gandhi was a political hero rather than a religious leader. BK’s have modified the original gita with their Murlis. Do not hold on to the tails of other peoples understanding. Fight with your own understanding. Quoting their name itself shows your own substandard understanding level of spirituality.

Lastly : your statement “according to science prayer is self hypnosis and as you said meditation (yoga) is more systematic)”. Can you tell me which scientific organization has claimed that prayer is self hypnosis, so that I can check their site and get back to you. Moreover I have never stated that meditation is more systematic. You have purposefully misquoted me .Prayer are done at any place and anytime with total submission to the will and glory of God. The prayer itself means to ask , to plea to a promising God. But meditation is a slow process wherein you create a false God and a false spiritual feeling within you. Further , there is nothing to pray to your BK false God since he is handicapped by the karmic law. Everything is determine by the karmic law , He is just a mute spectator.

( I have no alternative but to use cheap words to your cheap spiritual tricks )


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aman 15 months ago

brahm kumari sala sb bekar hai kuch nahi pagal banane ka naya tarika

chor hain sale sb bekar kahin ke


Ishaan 15 months ago

what about lord ram married, Vishnu married to Lakshmi , shiva married to parvarti..then why BK are teaching no marriage and follow celibacy...how would life go if there was complete celibacy..

The supreme has its own plan , believe in yourself .


prakash 15 months ago

are bhai aaj tak bhagwan ko k isi na nahi dekha agar koi dekha raha hai to dekh lo ismai burai kiya hai


GOD 15 months ago

khud ko na jaane, khuda ko kya jano


gajul 15 months ago

what a foolish thing that everything repeats in 5000 years cycle,and each cycle is identical ,

what is use to repeat same cycle

what about dinosaurs ?

my bk friend told me that only earth have a life then why shivbaba created such large universe

I don't understand why people beleave on such things ?

calculation of age of universe as given veda's Text which is almost equal to the universe age calculation by Big Bang Theory.

1. Age of Brahma 100 Years

2. 1 Brahma Years = 12 Brahna Month

3. 1 Brahma Month=30 Brahma Days + 30 Brahama Night

4. One Brahma Day = 1 Brahma Night = 1 Kalpa

5. 1 kalpa= 1000 Four Yugas=14 manvantaras

6. one Four Yuga=43,20.000 Earth Years

a. Kaliyuga= 432000 earth Years

b. Dvapara-yuga= 2*Age of Kaliyuga=2*432000=864000

c. Treta-yuga=3*Age of Kaliyuga=3*432000=1296000

d. Satya-Yuga=4*Age of Kaliyuga=4*432000=1728000

Hence total age of four yuga=4320000 of earth Years as per Veda's text the current of age of brahma=50Brahama Years + 6 Manvantaras + 27 four Yugas + 1 Satyuga + 1 Treti + 1 Dvapara + 5000 Years of Kaliyuga that's almost equal to 155.522*10 to power 22 or 155.522 trillion that's almost equal to the result by big bang theory of universe.


New student 14 months ago

I have have been trying to find god,I dont know much about it right now,But it has changed my life,I can feel shiv baba helps me always,He is the real father.

Its just my experience,I feel i have found him,

OM SHANTI


Relalization 14 months ago

BK says that moksh is possible only when a person doesnt enter into the marraige life and also when he leaves all the relations in the life.

Helllooooo everyone who believes BK's policies: without spending time in all stages of life one cannot get moksh. I am clearly mentioning that even this includes marriage life also. If you want you can refer all vedas or puranas or dharma shastras.

Dont come out with half knowledge teachings. Donot mislead people. AND ALSO PLEASE DONT SPOIL PEOPLE LIFE WITH YOUR HALF KNOWLEDGE TEACHINGS.

I heard that if a member of BK after few years(may be 5 years after), if they are planning to marry then BK will not encourage them and will make them to be out of their organisation. Then why BK teachings???? and what for???? SIMPLY MEANINGLESS

I agree with MAXJEWEL


vinobakumar 14 months ago

Come to brahmakumaries and get knowledge. dont say your own ideas without knowing anything.


Shivbaba 13 months ago

Why you guys fighting...what was happened 5000 yrs back is happening now....?


Shivbaba 13 months ago

Shivbaba is with Prajapita Brahma Kumaris Ishwariya Vishwavidyalay...if god is with us then why worry...We should become a detached observer like him and enjoy Drama... :-)


maxjewel 13 months ago

It is very easy and acceptable to say that ‘life’ and the ‘world’ itself is a ‘drama’. But, if we logically work out the pros and cons of the statement we find that it is a Big lie. The moment we say ‘drama’ we understand that somebody is in control of everything i.e. our action, our thoughts, events and happening around us etc. Like some stage actors doing as per the direction of the director and the script writer. So can we assume that some Supernatural Being like the BK Shiv Baba is the director, script writer & producer of this world drama? That means whatever good or bad my actions and thoughts are, it has been written, directed and produced by ‘Shiv Baba’. And if that is the case then a person is not at all responsible for his wrong actions and thoughts – in fact the director ( Shiv Baba ) is responsible. This whole concept of ‘Drama’ is against the ‘karmic law’. If everything is a ‘drama’ then there is nothing call ‘karma’ – everything we do or think is a role predefined by the director ‘Shiv Baba’ or in other words our acts and thoughts are his ‘karma’ and he (Shiv Baba) should go through the pain of rebirth and not us. The success of a stage drama depends on the Script and the Direction (Director) and not the actors (they are just puppets).

If everything is a drama then why do we have to meditate? Either way everything is predefined and preset by the ShivBaba. Let him face the consequence of the drama ( our karma ). The concept of ’Drama’ and ‘Karma’ do not qualify each other rather they contradict each other.

We have to accept the fact that we are responsible for our own action and thoughts (independently) .There is nothing called ‘Drama’. And one day we will be judged and rewarded accordingly for our actions and thoughts. Our reward will not be of this earth. We come to this world for once only and according to our own actions and thoughts we will be judged. It cannot be a drama of a cyclic nature wherein are we are made to act again and again that to a drama directed by somebody else.


Manne.Satyanarayana 13 months ago

What is the Nonsense you are spreading and what purpose.The Knowledge was imparted by GOD HIMSELF. Why you doubting about the Organisation. Any Organisation consisting of Humane. Every where yhere are some bad Persons in the Organisation.Here is also there may be. By taking advantage of 1 or two persons , it not fair on your Part in Blaming entire Organisation established by GOD HIMSELF and seeking the Help of the Pure Human Souls with Old Panchavikar ka Body . At leas now on seeing this stop your Bad Propaganda towards BRAHMAKUMARIS.Thank you Sir,

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maxjewel 13 months ago

This is not my site or blog. I have only given my comments. The title of the blog itself is “The Brahma Kumaris have killed God”. Everybody with free mind is allowed to give his/her comments. Yes, it would be difficult to digest all these for people who are having blind faith and are living under falsehood. Nobody is doing any sort propaganda out here. It is only a fair, open and free discussion. If you want to prove your point and you are always welcome to do so with a logical approach.

Now may also I ask you on your statement “The Knowledge was imparted by GOD HIMSELF” – CAN YOU PLEASE PROVE THIS? IF NOT, THEN YOU ARE ALSO DOING A KIND OF FALSE PROPAGANDA

Also, there is no need to mention your long degree, email address etc. I hope you are not doing any threat propaganda here on behalf of some organization …..


RAJ BHAI 13 months ago

GITA KA BHAGWAN SHIV BABA HA. KRISHNA NAHI HA.NIRAKAR+SAKAR ,KE MAIL KO SHIVBABA BOLTE HA.JO KI BHAKTI MARG ME BHARATWASHI SHIV-SHANKAR KAHTE HA.


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Bk 12 months ago

Abe a Bk pijush aur jitne bhi Brahma Kumaris hai na bhaag jaao bhenchod tum log public ko chutiya banane ka dhandha band kar do har koi chutiya banata hai kya kehte ho tum log bhagwan aate hai tumhari maa ka bhosda bhenchod madarchod saaale hijde ki aulaad bhaaag jaao nahi toh maar maar ke bhaga denge



BK. GANESHPRASAD 11 months ago

I THINK EVERYONE CAN TAKE GOOD THINGS FROM THIS BK ORGANISATION. WHAT IS TRUE OR WHAT IS WRONG IS NOT NECESSARY.JUST WHAT THEY TEACH THAT IS VERY USEFUL IN ANYBODYS LIFE. IT IS UPON YOU WHAT TO TAKE AND WHAT TO LEAVE.

EVERY ONE WILL ACCEPT THAT LUST, ANGER, GREED IS NOT GOOD TO HUMAN BEING AND WE SHOULD ACCEPT PEACE, POSER, FORGIVENES IN LIFE . THAT IS TRUE. SO WE SHOULD TAKE GOOD FROM THIS ORGANISATION.


b.k vishal 11 months ago

Dear all,

Shiv baba ne geeta me bhi kaha he ki jab jab dharma ki gnati hoti he tab me aata hu or koto me hi koi or koi me bhi muze pahechanega...

All godly brother Jo nahi manta he he vo plz bramha kumaries me aao aapke sare question ka ans mil jayega nd that's my challage not only all b.k students challange aap onion vagera kyu nahi khate uska bhi ans he.

Pyaj or oniyan khane se jo kaam satru he unke khayalaat aate rahete he or jo kahetehe na kaam satru ko badhavaa deta he isliye man pavitra nahi raheta or issilye onion or pyaj nahi khate.....or ha or 1 Banat me aapko bahot batana chahta hu

Geeta me bhi kaha he ki bramha, Vishnu or sankar in teeno devta ko light suprim soul (param pita paramaatma) ne janm diya tha..or ye sach he yahi shivbaba he.....to know more any questions call me I'll help you 100% 9624922129 that's my number...or aap sab bhi jaoge to bhot pata chalega om shanti.


Yogeshvar 8 months ago

any faith based on threat or Fear of loss can not stand long,Criticism of any religion basically in it self a biggest crime .The way they are claiming the bhakti marga people are fool is the only wrong thing.

Rest if someone get peace from meditation in their ways or any other way is need of hour as well as basic right of every one.

No one has right to claim that god comes in some ones body and get live telecasted on TV chanel and give speech is childish and foolish too.However again its matter of own beliefs till the time it doesnt hamper your families social life and your core values and traditions which your fore fathers left for you do not follow with the expectation of place in sat-yug or with the fear of end of the world.


Rajiv 8 months ago

Some wise man one day said to me "Jab tak is Duniya me Murkh jinda hain, Buddhimaan Bhuka nahi rahega".. and whenever I see a cult like Brahmakumaris (there are N number of Cults like this by the way) I remember that quote and think that how some wise men are fooling millions of Idiot across the world... amazing.. even I would like to be a Millionaire Babajee or Yogi or Sant or Maharaj or Bhagwan(whatever who cares).. can somebody guide me...


arun bk 8 months ago

om shanti,trut can not be changed,what thought level our dadi,s have ,that comes with years of practice,everyone knows that brahmakumaris are telling right thing,but we are so habituals of bad habits that we are pursuding ourselves that their teaching is wrong but it is not actually,it need patience


manohar 7 months ago

every words and every lines of holy MURLI is true , I request to all soul plz follow Brahma Baba and you realize the GOD (SHIV BABA) .

OM SHANTI

ur soul brother

manohar


manohar 7 months ago

every words and every lines of holy MURLI is true , I request to all soul plz follow Brahma Baba and you realize the GOD (SHIV BABA) .

OM SHANTI

ur soul brother

manohar


Ipsit Jena 7 months ago

Shadi barbadi hai...Kyun ki Pavitrata shadi ke baad nahin ho sakt...

Doosra Murli ki baatein 100% upyogi and sach hai

teesra Dadi aur baba aur Mamma ko janne ke baad aap saab bhi yehi kahenga wah babab wah....

AAP sab jo nahin mante ho saab aao..aur Mt. abu ya paas ke center mein ja ke iska clear cut view paye...

BABA kahte hein Jo bhi hamara nindak he woh nindak nahin...hamara sabse bada Bhakt hai... HUM sab BKS purvaaj hain.....

SO AAP saab aaye aur Gyan lekar trupt ho kar jaya...............OM Shanti


reeteshbharti 7 months ago

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V G Raju 6 months ago

I used to attend BK classes since last 6 years Many of the points explained through murali are very similar what our ancestors taught through various histories So I take good points If any point I need clarification Seniors BKs advised no BK sd raise why where when how etc if so will be punished ? BK blames bhakti marg folliwng people as they under stand god is every where where as BK say god is not every where . If so in murali classes the teacher tells u r sittiong infront of God Shiv Baba . If so same time many places murali classes going on throughout the world then every one has to feel they are sitting in front of Shiv baba If so Shiva baba is every where ? I Concluded do not follow blidnly any one but feel GOD is only one His effects are seen like rays of sun where sun is only one Om Shanti


Kumar 6 months ago

Vinaasha kaale... Vibaredha bhuthi...


Maureen 6 months ago

The main thing is to become a peaceful soul and recognise other humans as your brothers and sisters. There's no need to let your intellect become confused by conflicting details. Complete understanding requires a completely pure intellect, which I believe none of us have.


real 5 months ago

just dont beleive these teaching...... they really mislead people


siddharth 5 months ago

Ramayan k anusar hanuman amar hn.. agr bk k theory r8 h to treteya yug(silver age) m firse hanuman ji k janm hga.. to 2 hanuman ho jaenge.. ase h har bar god hanuman ju badhte jaenge..


siddharth 5 months ago

Ramayan k anusar hanuman amar hn.. agr bk k theory r8 h to treteya yug(silver age) m firse hanuman ji k janm hga.. to 2 hanuman ho jaenge.. ase h har bar god hanuman ju badhte jaenge..


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Rajender Singh 4 months ago

Believe me Supreme soul has come & spreading his enlightenment across the world. We all are soul not body.


True Message 3 months ago

frds, pls read below some of the scriptures details mentioned in Upnishad and Veda about God.

(1) Chandogya Upnishad Chapter 6 Section-2 Verse1

“ Ekam Evadvitiyam” means “ he is one without a second”

(2) Shwetashvatara Upanishad chapter 6 verse 6

“Nacasya Kascij Janita Na Cadhipah” means “ Of him there are Neither parents nor lord”

(3) Shwetashvatara Upanishad chapter 4 verse 19

“Na Tasya Pratima Asti” means “ there is no likeness of him”

- frds here i want to make a point to all those people who says they have seen the god and they see him in the form of light/source of light/similar - above verse clearly deny such false statements of all those people.

if anyone is making image/assuming any image of god in his mind and offering prayers, he/she is doing the biggest mistake. NO human has seen the GOd and there is no likeness of him

(4) Shwetashvatara Upanishad chapter 4 verse 20

“Na Samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam” means “ His form can not be seen. No one sees him with the eye”

frds - again above verse to all those people who say they see God and god talks to them or they say, they are getting revelation/teachings directly from the god himself - all such people then dont know who is true GOD?..even to best of my understaing - prophets (PBUT) got revelation through ANgel Jibril from god - Not directly face to face with God or Directly talking to God for everything/day to day knowledge

(5) Bhagwad Gita – 7:20

“those whose intelligence has been stolen by the materialistic desires worships demigods”

(6) Bhagwad Gita – 10:3

“ He who knows me as the unborn, as the beginning – less , as the supreme of all the worlds..”

(7) Yajurveda Chapter 32 verse3

“Na Tasya Pratima Asti” means “ there is no likeness of him” means there is no image of him

It further says as he is unborn he deserves our worship

(8) Yajurveda Chapter 40 verse8

He is bodiless and pure

(9) Yajurveda Chapter 40 verse9

“Andhatma Pravishanti ye assambhuti mupaste” means “ they enter darkness. Those who worship natural things”

(10) Rigveda Book 8 hymn1 verse 1

“ Ma chidanyadvi shansata” means “ do not worship anybody but him, the divine one , praise him alone”

(11) Rigveda Book 5 hymn81 verse 1

“ Verily great is the glory of the divine creator”

(12) Rigveda Book no. VI, hymn45 verse 16

“ ya Eka Ittamushtuhi” means ”Praise him who is the matchless & alone”

(13) Rigveda Book no. VI, hymn45 verse 16

“ ya Eka Ittamushtuhi” means ”Praise him who is the matchless & alone”

Brahma Sutra of Hindu Vedanta

“ Ekam Brahm, dvitya naste neh na naste kinchan” means ” there is only one God, not the second, not at all, not at all, not in least bit”

And the Final Revelation to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)

Surah Ekhlas: Chapter 112 verse 1-4,

“Say he is Allah, The one and only; Allah, the eternal, absolute; He begets not, nor is he begotten; and there is none like unto him”

frds now i am talking the truth about all the other great religion's Prophets:

Prophet Abraham (PBUH): he never said that he saw God

Prophet Moses (PBUH): asked God that he wants to see him but when God appeared strong thundring,lightenings happend that he faint adn could not see the lord but he spoke to God

Prophet Jejus(PBUH): He also never saw the God

last and final Prophet Muhammad (PBUH): He also never saw the God

many more to say but the conclusion is that if these great choosen people amomng the creation of the God never saw him. then how can some people in bharama kumari or anywahere says that they saw the god or they are talkking to god ..they are absolutely wrong..

and if god wanted to come to earth throgh some one then God would have reaveled in holy scriptures but nowhere it is mentioned. ....like prophets (PBUT) coming were always told ..and when the last messenger of god sayd no one will come after him adn no revelatin of god will come after him then how can some one claim status of bhrama. God speaking and coming inside the human body ...biggest mistake ..

frds if any mistake in above details ..please correct and i pray to God for bringing all to the right path


prateek 3 months ago

All my brothers and sisters what are we fighting about we are the decendents of shiv baba what makes the real difference is the path we chose as baba said meethe bache utho even if there are 2 organisations both are teaching the murlis both are trying to spread the word of god so what are we fighting about. OM SHANTI


kkpatnaik 3 months ago

What ever path you follow in search of God will be rewarded sooner or later. There are many philosophies. We can not prove that who is right or who is wrong. No one has claimed that he/she saw GOD. But the great souls had a common thing in them that "Your Body is the Temple of LIVING GOD" or "Nar Narayan Swarrop" etc., It depends upon you how u interpreting this "GODISNOWHERE" "GOD IS NOW HERE".. One more thing I would like to add here i.e. without a living master one can not proceed in the path. Now it depends whether the master has a teacher's degree or professor's degree. If you are working on raising your kundalini then I am afraid your journey will end abruptly. In my view one must not stop seeking the right master after reaching a point. Similarly as we leave school and goes to college for higher studies then moves further for professional courses.. The prophets, Great masters or God's representatives always emphasized on one point "Seek, Find and Ask... you will be given the secrets of Heaven..."

This is my own feelings... Please do not relate it to any religion or philosophy. God has created everyone. So it is the duty of everyone to stay as per HIS WILL. Dont misguide anyone in the name of GOD which HE never permitted.


dalwadi umesh 3 months ago

Dear BK,

you said that God is One, so why in Hindu's have lots of gods??

i heart that brahma baba is soul of load krishna?? can you explain??

ramayan & mahabharat is True story??

who said the Bhagvat geeta?? krishna kyo nahi??


dalwadi umesh 3 months ago

Dear BK,

you said that God is One, so why in Hindu's have lots of gods??

i heart that brahma baba is soul of load krishna?? can you explain??

ramayan & mahabharat is True story??

who said the Bhagvat geeta?? krishna kyo nahi??


BK Paramita 2 months ago

Hello All,

I have been with the BK family from last 5 years. I was 19 when I went there with my parents.

When I did the class for tthe first time, it was like it is making total sense. This is it. This is the truth.

I don' believe in arguing. Neither in BK they teach us this. Every individual had different different views.

1) In Bk I have been taught to how to live a peaceful life and happy life. #We all are searching for this.


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